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Dazza1004

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« on: February 11, 2008, 03:48:08 PM »
I was gigging last year with a Mesa Boogie Ace 1x12 and was never very happy with the sound. At the time there were a lot of internal probs with the band that I was more worried about so didn’t do much about it. Anyway, the amp had a few probs and Mesa sent me a replacement, while I was waiting for it to arrive the band folded so the amp has stayed in it’s box for the last 6 months.
I have recently joined another band so unpacked the amp to make sure everything was ok, again and I am again not happy with the sound, harsh and really bright.
It’s a V30 speaker so I guess this is going to need some time to break in and over on the boogie board they have recommended some new tubes and a new speaker but I am not sure I want to spend any money on this amp.
I really want to like this amp because it has a nice clean sound and is simple yet versatile.

What do you reckon, throw a couple of hundred quid at it or trade for a 100 watt head and 4x12 ?

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« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2008, 03:50:31 PM »
It depends what you're after tone wise.  If it's in the general ball park, but needs tweaking, then a speaker/tubes might fix it.

If it's quite a way off a few 'flavour' tweaks won't help......

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« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2008, 04:01:45 PM »
it is in the right ball park, it's just so harsh.

I have been recommended a Celestion G12-65 as a replacement speaker which looks like it could help a lot. I think with the tube swap I would start with the pre-amp tubes 1st.

I'll fess up now, I am looking for an excuse to buy a head and 4x12 before all of my hair falls out and I am too old so maybe I am using this as an excuse but I also find the amp to be very beamy and directional, it never really filled out the room, maybe I could use the combo to drive a 4x12 and have the best of both worlds ?

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« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2008, 04:17:58 PM »
That would work.

By the way, what sounds harsh in isolation may work really well in a band mix.  I'd try it out at a rehearsal first before changing anything....

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« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2008, 04:19:04 PM »
i've decided i quite like 1x12s recently ;)

you could also try a weber beam-blocker to diffuse the sound a bit in a live situation. if you're going to order from weber, you could also look at his speakers.

i think you should look at the speaker first, and then the valves. you could get a used speaker on ebay, then you won't have to break it in, and you can sell it on without losing money. i also find the v30 harsh - but not harsh in the way of painful sounding - harsh in the way of its hi-fi character, and peaky EQ curve. its actually sounds quite good recorded i think, but in a room i'm definately not keen.

i've only tried 4 speakers in a 1x12, and they're all celestions:

i have a g12h100 which i like - its meant to be similar to their new g12k100
tried a classic lead 80 - very nice speaker, i think its the best of a lot of worlds
sidewinder - like this one too - transparent in a sort of way
G12B-150 - not keen, very scooped, a bit lifeless

i bet the g12-65 would be very nice too judging by internet rumours.

but if you want a 4x12, nothing will fix that - except trying to lift one :) i also wanted one, but i can barely lift even a 2x12... so ;)

i dont think you'll need to spend a couple of hundred quid. get a used speaker for 40 quid or something first. then wonder about the valves. mesa boogie valves aren't known to be bad - unless someone changed them for another make?
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« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2008, 04:38:37 PM »
G12-65's are great speakers for reducing harshness.

IMO, they are one of the best all-round speakers for all styles.

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« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2008, 05:55:43 PM »
guys, great advice, thanks very much.

Has anyone fitted the beam blockers to a combo, are they easy to fit ?
I suspect I would need to take off the speaker cover at the front (maybe not if I replaced the speaker at the same time ?)

Thanks again

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« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2008, 06:17:02 PM »
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guys, great advice, thanks very much.

Has anyone fitted the beam blockers to a combo, are they easy to fit ?
I suspect I would need to take off the speaker cover at the front (maybe not if I replaced the speaker at the same time ?)

Thanks again


Weber speakers look quite well priced as well, I can't see that it would be easy to get the blocker in the right place, as it looks like over time it may sag, which would worry me.

How do you even take off a grill cloth  :?

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« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2008, 07:29:55 PM »
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Weber speakers look quite well priced as well, I can't see that it would be easy to get the blocker in the right place, as it looks like over time it may sag, which would worry me.

How do you even take off a grill cloth  :?[/quote]

That's what worries me too

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« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2008, 09:59:14 PM »
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How do you even take off a grill cloth  :?


You don't need to, the speaker should be rear-mounted and is screwed into the baffleboard from inside the cab.  Have a look, it's really self-explanatory.

I'd go with a tried a Celestion Classic Lead 80 to reduce the harshness, it's a really great and underated speaker - great in combos or 2x12s.

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« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2008, 10:34:58 PM »
I must warn you that Weber charge a fortune for shipping to the UK - often even more than the product!

I have Weber beam blocker to tame my Jensen C12N, but to be honest if you want to what know what they sound like get a 4" or 5" circle of very thick box card and tape it to the inside of the grill cloth in front of your speaker cone.  It may not look elegant (although you can't see the device through black or oxblood grill cloth) but it will give you exactly the same effect.  I use this method it to disperse the highs on my CL80 2x12 and it works well.  

SRV (who I never liked, I might add) used the same cardboard cutout trick.
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« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2008, 05:41:20 PM »
Thiele cab...Thiele cab...Thiele cab a 1x12 masterpiece of engineering-they sound sooo huge-I can lug around my Coliseum head and a Thiele 1x12 with no problem-will never use 4x12 again out live because I can easily load in/out -I have 2 thieles...on ev loaded and one with c90-I can be down the stairs in 2 trips without anyone's help and...it must be heard to be believed..but the bottom is incredible in this ported cab-love this combo fwiw
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