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Dennis

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« on: February 27, 2008, 08:44:06 PM »
Hello there,

To get the best sound out of my BKP's I am in search of a new head, to replace my Hughes & Kettner Triamp.

I was wondering if anyone has some cool hints about what amp would do the job!
When I bought the Triamp, I was looking for an allround amp, and I want my next amp to be allround too!
But it is very difficult to tell what kind of tones/sounds one is looking for.
For example: the Triamp clean isn't bad (at all!), but I like the clean of the Bogner Shiva more (but I really don't like the overdrive/distortion of the shiva), and for distortion and crunch tones..I don't know yet..

The Triamp has some amazing crunchy tones, but in the high gain territory, I would like to have a more gritty sound. The Triamp sounds pretty "smooth" although it has enough gain.

Amps I tried so far:

Soldano Decatone
My opinion: nice tone for classic (heavy) rock music!! Very nice lead tone also, but I don't like what is happening with that amp when you do some riffing a la Iced Earth or something. The sound is just to "loose" for that.)

Diezel VH4
Not my style. The clean is nice, but I prefer the distortion of the Triamp. The VH4 is a very "clean" sounding amp, I didn't find it heavy. I liked the gain structure on the Diezel Einstein better.

Bogner XTC
I don't know...maybe I didn't fiddle with all the settings enough, but I didn't like it for some reason.


On my list to try:

Engl SE (6L6 and EL34)
Mesa Boogie Roadking (damn that thing is expensive here in holland!)
Mesa Boogie mkIV
Diezel Herbert
VHT Sig X

Any opinions, or maybe other options I don't have on my to-try list (yet)?  :D
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« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2008, 08:49:19 PM »
If you can't quite stretch to a Mesa Roadking, have a look at the Roadster. Effectively it's a Roadking without some of the more complex power switching options.  http://www.mesaboogie.com/Product_Info/Rectifier_Series/roadster/roadster.html

I've just bought one, but it won't be with me until April.
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« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2008, 08:53:39 PM »
How about Fender EVH 5150III or Elmwood M90?

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« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2008, 08:59:06 PM »
Egnater Mod 50
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« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2008, 09:53:21 PM »
Have you tried the Koch Powertone II (being from Holland and everything)? I've played with it briefly and it seemed pretty awesome. Need to find some more time to go and crank it up to see if it does brutal metal as well :)
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« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2008, 10:42:44 PM »
I can't really remember what the clean was like on the shiva...  :lol: kind of warm?

i'd say the Engl SE would probably do what you want, if i'm interpreting what you're saying correctly, but it is a lot of cash.

EDIT: it goes without saying that you should try everything you can. :)

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« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2008, 10:50:35 PM »
Quote from: Dennis
I really don't like the overdrive/distortion of the shiva


:o

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« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2008, 11:54:31 PM »
May I ask why it has to be 3 channel?

If so, check out the Marshall JVM series.

If a 2 channel with a dedicated solo boost will do, check out Splawn. Or, you might want to check out a Rivera Knucklehead and use a boost in the FX loop for a solo boost.

Another option is to get a MIDI preamp (JMP-1, ENGL E580) and something like a Marshall rack mounted power amp.

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« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2008, 01:51:00 AM »
The only one on your list I have tried is the Herbert. Prefer it to the VH4 also. Want a Herbert myself, but can't afford one yet. Need a G-System first anyhow. I love my Laney TT, but the Herbert is in another class.

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« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2008, 02:39:59 AM »
I own a Mesa Mk IV ..B version-I can only report on it..only one I have played-I love the cleans on this amp-tremendous...channel 2 is where some people get lost-many want it to have more gain....my feeling is they do not play it loud enough-the IV is a SIMUL CLASS amp=play el 34's and 6l6 tubes simultaneously-I love channel 2-its ac/dc type channel-the lead channel is all the gain you need-not the sag of a rectifier,but a tight tone..very tight
-it is a tweaker's dream!!!half power capabilities..simulclass...harmonic/mid gain switch..slave out...great effects loop-I love it!!!However, it really only serves me as my stereo power amp now..my Boogie IIC+ Coliseum is ridiculous,so it is my "tone bone"-the IIC+ is the most sought after in the mark series, and the IV comes damn close....
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« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2008, 05:27:53 PM »
Quote from: LazyNinja
How about Fender EVH 5150III or Elmwood M90?


I never saw a Elmwood amp before! I checked it on youtube and it is worth trying though!

I don't know about the EVH 5150III...I am not too fond of the brown sound hype 'nd stuff, but I can give it a try..

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Egnater Mod 50


I like the principle of that amp, but I remember some older Egnaters that all broke down because of very bad soldering. Do you have any experience with the newer Egnaters? Because of the preamps that you can change, it doesn't look rock-solid (as far as a tube amp can be), but maybe I am wrong.

Quote from: zf
Have you tried the Koch Powertone II (being from Holland and everything)? I've played with it briefly and it seemed pretty awesome. Need to find some more time to go and crank it up to see if it does brutal metal as well :)


Yeah, Koch is pretty nice actually! Our other guitarist uses a Multitone, but I don't like the fact that it doesn't have a master volume.
I like master volumes , just because it is very handy.

Quote from: dave_mc
I can't really remember what the clean was like on the shiva...  :lol: kind of warm?

i'd say the Engl SE would probably do what you want, if i'm interpreting what you're saying correctly, but it is a lot of cash.


Well, the Bogner Shiva clean channel is like a tonal orgasm for me. I tried that amp and I loved it! Every time I hear someone playing on the shiva clean channgel, it makes me very happy!

Yeah, the SE is pretty expensive, but most of the amps with the features I am looking for are. Hell, I thought I had an expensive amp with the Triamp, and then I came across the mesa boogie Roadking  :lol:

Quote from: Twinfan
Quote from: Dennis
I really don't like the overdrive/distortion of the shiva


:o

:shock:


Yeah...I know....sorry man...not that it is bad, but it is just not what I want :)

Quote from: TwilightOdyssey
May I ask why it has to be 3 channel?

If so, check out the Marshall JVM series.

If a 2 channel with a dedicated solo boost will do, check out Splawn. Or, you might want to check out a Rivera Knucklehead and use a boost in the FX loop for a solo boost.

Another option is to get a MIDI preamp (JMP-1, ENGL E580) and something like a Marshall rack mounted power amp.


The reason I want a 3-channel amp is that I use it all  8)
I play mostly rock and metal oriented music, but I need a good clean also (well, no one will notice when I have a cr@ppy sound, but it's my hobby, so I want to get a kick when playing :) ).
In the band I use clean sounds as well as classic rock sounds (think of AC/DC and Guns N' roses), but also system of a down type of music, which is nicer with a modern sound.
I can try to mess with some distortion pedals, but I like the sound of a big tube head (although I am very curious about the Damage Control pedals!)

So a 2-channel with dedicated solo boost is not what I want. In the Triamp I use a booster pedal between the preamp out and power amp in, for solo boost, on top of the different channels for the sounds.

MIDI preamp is nice too, I have a JMP-1 with poweramp at home, for practise and backup purposes, but I like to use a head in combination with some floor pedals.
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« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2008, 05:57:54 PM »
Diezel Herbert, 'nuff said!

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« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2008, 06:14:45 PM »
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Diezel Herbert, 'nuff said!


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« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2008, 07:08:19 PM »
Heard the Herbert on a Bon Jovi Live concert on the telli, not bad, not overwhelming either.

The onlyy 3Channel amp I could still get really excited about is the XTC Classic, it's very different from an XTC, but maybe also too lose for your taste.

I get the feeling that you are actually after a Marshall drive tone, as this will give you the tight Iced Earth kinda rhythm tone and with a tube screamer that searing lead feel.

Go try a DSL 50/100 top with a tube screamer type pedal, that might be better than any 3-channel amp.

Or even a Vintage Modern, which is my new favorite. I know you're after 3 channels but it's all theory in the end, try it out and you'll see. I also thought I need more channels and am learning the opposite everyday...
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« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2008, 07:09:49 PM »
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