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« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2008, 09:26:28 PM »
That was about the worst 'journalism' I've ever seen.

12 self-proclaimed audiophiles? What system was used and how was this 'test' conducted?

I call bullsh!t on that report.

Oh but wait ---

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« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2008, 09:42:52 PM »
Yeah I just thought that after I posted, theres no evidence. Cant say I've ever really noticed a difference between different cables though, at least with my guitar stuff. I do like my Grado headphones tho :)

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« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2008, 10:42:55 AM »
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I call bullsh!t on that report.

Oh but wait ---

its on the interwebz!! it must be tr00!!  omfg!! stfu!! !!ELEVEN!!!




The old adage, if you have nothing nice to say etc etc, springs to mind. :wink:



But yeah I would think the problem probably lies in "self-confessed audiophiles". Just like I'm a "self-confessed expert on neuro-science!"  :roll:

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« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2008, 10:49:57 AM »
I've experimented with speaker wire at the lower end of the market (no more then £5/metre) and I could certainly notice a difference with different cable.  

For the people who can't - go buy coat hangers and pat yourself on the back for having cloth lugs  :lol:

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« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2008, 03:17:13 PM »
There is a difference between cables but there must come a point when your mind starts playing tricks on you at the higher end of things.

I mean can Eric Johnson really tell the difference between a Duracell and an Eveready 9 volt battery in one of his pedals?
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« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2008, 06:51:40 PM »
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I mean can Eric Johnson really tell the difference between a Duracell and an Eveready 9 volt battery in one of his pedals?

I believe he can, but he's not Mr Average.

I believe there is a difference with high-end cables and connectors, but whether it's worth paying ten times the price for a marginal improvement is very much a personal decision.  I think you should just figure out what you can afford/are prepared to pay, do some research and get the best bang for your own buck.
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« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2008, 07:30:53 PM »
well... if you got a 300k system, i dont think you'll patch it up with a 5$ cable

and if you're on a hifi, that cost you a nickel over 100$, a 5000$ cable aint going to make it sound any better either.


the point is, that whole article IS bullshitee. unless you got a reference system of adequate quality (we're talking thousands of dollars here), no cable is going to make a whole lot of a difference.

as far as hearing the difference. you can hear the difference in a battery, cos they vary from manufacturer to manufacturer blah blah blah...
in a stereo system, it's less of hearing certain things and more of percieving the sound as fuller, richer and more detailed.

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« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2008, 07:47:13 PM »
If both batterys are new and giving out the same voltage then they're both the same in terms of what they're designed to do. So how can one battery sound different from another in the same pedal? If the batterys are completly different in terms of power output then I can see Eric Johnson's point, which isn't worth mentioning in the first place. I do appreciate the man's genius and ear for great tone but...

I love hi fi stuff as much as the next man and I've heard some incredible systems in demo rooms. I'm going out on a limb here and probably speaking out of ignorance but when you get to the really high end stuff you can ask what you like for it and people will still pay it. It's like $200 anti-wrinkle cream to a J.A.P or a W.A.G.
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« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2008, 08:38:59 PM »
Theres certainly a difference in my opinion,

But your total signal path is really important and has to be sensibly matched. I dont think you'll a lot of benefit switching to £50/m speaker cable for your sony mini-system.

The rest of the chain has to have the resolution to benefit from it.

For the record, from the testing I've done I think the speakers are the most important part of your sound system

Followed by amp

Followed by source.

Followed by cables.

But any one of them could bottle-neck the whole thing.

Edit: I think the articles cr@p, btw. No detail.

It would be a really interesting test to do in a double blind with some really high end gear, mixed in with medium and low end gear and one part changed at a time. Blindfolded listeners, obviously. Cange source, amp, speakers, cable and see what changes can be idetified consistently and how much difference each makes. I'd love to see that test.

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« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2008, 09:36:32 AM »
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If the batterys are completly different in terms of power output then I can see Eric Johnson's point, which isn't worth mentioning in the first place. I do appreciate the man's genius and ear for great tone but...


well, that's all there is to it to be exact... well, there's also consistency of output, as some batteries last a while longer, but that's everything that's worth considering.


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It would be a really interesting test to do in a double blind with some really high end gear, mixed in with medium and low end gear and one part changed at a time. Blindfolded listeners, obviously. Cange source, amp, speakers, cable and see what changes can be idetified consistently and how much difference each makes. I'd love to see that test.

problem is.. you cant remember detail. especially the minor ones and because of that, one component might seem identical as another, even though it might be of lower quality.
to see/hear the real difference, you have to have two identical systems, one as a reference point, the other as the testing one, then change one part at a time in the test system and compare the changes back to back. only that way you'll be able to hear a change in the details that appear (or dissapear)



to add something to the defense of coat hangers. it really is just wire. really thick wire, that lets quite a load of current through, with near to zero resistance, so they might aswell sound decent

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« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2008, 10:22:49 AM »
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I mean can Eric Johnson really tell the difference between a Duracell and an Eveready 9 volt battery in one of his pedals?


Funny that... When I listen to Eric Johnson on my Hi-fi wired up with coat-hangers I can hear if I have batteries in my remote control but Eric sounds like he's playing a Marshall MG Micro-stack..

But then again.. I am a self confessed audiophile  :wink: [/b]
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« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2008, 10:41:47 AM »
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I mean can Eric Johnson really tell the difference between a Duracell and an Eveready 9 volt battery in one of his pedals?


Funny that... When I listen to Eric Johnson on my Hi-fi wired up with coat-hangers I can hear if I have batteries in my remote control but Eric sounds like he's playing a Marshall MG Micro-stack..

But then again.. I am a self confessed audiophile  :wink: [/b]


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« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2008, 11:59:26 AM »
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problem is.. you cant remember detail. especially the minor ones and because of that, one component might seem identical as another, even though it might be of lower quality.
to see/hear the real difference, you have to have two identical systems, one as a reference point, the other as the testing one, then change one part at a time in the test system and compare the changes back to back. only that way you'll be able to hear a change in the details that appear (or dissapear)



I cant help but think "whats the point?" if you can hardly tell the difference between the two and have to do extensive a/b'ing to find a minute difference :? If they both sound basically the same, just stick with the most reliable and stfu in my opinion :lol:

I have to say I havent really done much/any hifi testing. The only headphones I've had are Koss Sparkplugs and Grado SR80s, which sound much better than the Koss, much clearer and just better, theres a huge difference. With guitar stuff its totally different though, I can hardly tell the difference if I plug straight into my amp or go through my pedalboard with cheap patch leads.

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« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2008, 02:35:51 PM »
the point is.. when you got that much money to spend... you spend it. you dont think "hmm, what's the best system 10 grand can buy me" you think, "well, how am i going to spend 500k today, oh, i know, i'm gonna buy a hi-fi"

but, i think such a high end system is more of a curse than a blessing.. since you hear every nuance in a recording, listening to cr@ppy overamped recordings is a pain in the ass