Bill Turner ex EMG has a hissy fit at Tim

[Ratrod]

Very unprofessional of BT. I never heard other respected pickup makers talking about their competition that way.

[blue]

if you read the whole thread, he does seem to have a very superior " i know best " kind of attitude.  i'm sure he has plenty of knowledge, but his attitude is the problem.  to so rudely dismiss what others say, in fact seemingly what everyone else says, is not a terribly attractive quality.

[SG Thrasher]

Wow, that shite spouting w**ker needs a slap.
At the end of the day it's up to people if they want to listen to the information Tim gives out (For free). I trust his recommendations because he is obviously very knowledgeable and experienced.

Plus, Tims service is incredible, My uber sinner arrived this morning and I only ordered it mid last week. :o

[gwEm]

i was expecting something else to be written from bill on that forum than what i actually read, i don't think its all that bad.

regarding comments about the inductance, he maybe right.. i know my way around electronics. though what is certain is adding copper tape will have some sort of affect on the inductance and definately the sound of the pickup. if tim reckons its makes the sound worse, i believe him.

the last paragraph bill wrote is just rudeness really... maybe he is a bit sour, who knows, its certinally unprofessional. saying something negative in public never usually comes off without you looking silly. as an experienced engineer i'm surprised he tried it.

no one else is really copying the aspects of Tim's business model which work well, just parts of it. i'm surprised no one else has 'got it' yet, it seems obvious to us.

[MDV]

the last paragraph bill wrote is just rudeness really... maybe he is a bit sour.

D'ya think that BKs growing popularity and reputation as if not the then one of the best pickup brands in the world might have something to do with it  8)

[gwEm]

the last paragraph bill wrote is just rudeness really... maybe he is a bit sour.

D'ya think that BKs growing popularity and reputation as if not the then one of the best pickup brands in the world might have something to do with it  8)

who knows ;) well... EMG is doing very well for itself too to be honest.

i'm nervous of saying someone is sour if i'm not sure. who knows, there could be another reason for his attitude.

[MDV]

the last paragraph bill wrote is just rudeness really... maybe he is a bit sour.

D'ya think that BKs growing popularity and reputation as if not the then one of the best pickup brands in the world might have something to do with it  8)

who knows ;) well... EMG is doing very well for itself too to be honest.

i'm nervous of saying someone is sour if i'm not sure. who knows, there could be another reason for his attitude.

It sounds quite a bit like standard daisy-cutting to me. BK are very well respected, and some people take any chance they get to have a go at the guys at the top.

Edit: by daisy cutting, I dont mean the weapon, I mean how the tallest daisies are the first to fall victim to teh lawnmower.

[gwEm]

i get your point MDV :)

on the other hand we could see it in this context...

isn't bill the head of fender's pickup R&D? hes never going to say publically any fender pickup is bad, especially not on a fender board.

[MDV]

i get your point MDV :)

on the other hand we could see it in this context...

isn't bill the head of fender's pickup R&D? hes never going to say publically any fender pickup is bad, especially not on a fender board.

Good point!

[Elliot]

I don't think he works for Fender anymore - if you look at that post he's quite critical of Fender.    To be fair to him he's done a good deal of stuff: the EMG, the vintage noiseless, the LSR nut.  Its just you don't expect so much vitriol for a guy in his 50s in response to a half reported email.  What worries me more is that people on that forum seem to thank him for his rudeness.

[Johnny Mac]

If he's not getting any he should just get a brass!  :lol:

[lulusg]

Gathering bits of incomplete information from different sources and coming to a conclusion base on that is not going to give an accurate answer...ever. I see more of a corporate mentality that dulls the mind as I have said it before.  Not professional at all....