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hamfist

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« Reply #45 on: April 14, 2008, 04:00:14 PM »
OK, well the plexi head arrived today, 5 days after leaving Malaysia. Quite impressive really.

All seems to work properly. No shipping damage, which is a relief. And all the transformers are still straight !
  The cab seems reasonable, but definately not quite as sturdy or as well made as a Matamp/Martamp head cab for example, or my AC30's head cab. Can't complain though, I think the head cab itself was only another $150, which is about £75. No complaints about the quality of the amp as yet.

  I haven't had much of a chance to play it. But enough to realise that it is a loud amp. Starts to break up very early too, about 2 on the vols. Max gain has more saturation and sustain than I was expecting.
  Can get easy home volumes using -8dB on the hotplate and also the PPIMV.
  Since I played it I've taken the JJ's pre's out and replaced with NOS Mullards. power tubes are JJ E34L's, which I shall leave in situ. Also received a pair of new greenbacks this afternoon, which have gone into the 4x12 to replace a couple of G12H-30's that were in there. So a lot has actually changed since i did play it for a couple of minutes.
  I'll get a much better impression of it tommorow.

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« Reply #46 on: April 14, 2008, 04:23:23 PM »
First impressions on the tone then Alan?  They're a gain beast aren't they?

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« Reply #47 on: April 14, 2008, 04:42:53 PM »
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First impressions on the tone then Alan?  They're a gain beast aren't they?


As I said, starts breaking up significantly at 2 (unlike my Jtm45, which didn't get the same amount of gain until about 5 on the dial). Max gain is much gainier than I expected.

  I can't even comment on the tone really. When I played it, it was through a 4x12 cab in which I strongly dislike two of the speakers (I bought a 4x12 in which I like the cab, but really hate the speakers).Although even through that, it sounded pretty good. I've swapped those speakers out now, so next time I play it, it should be up to the appropriate standard.

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« Reply #48 on: April 14, 2008, 04:45:27 PM »
Cool.  Looking forward to hearing your full review  :)

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« Reply #49 on: April 15, 2008, 10:07:35 AM »
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 Looking forward to hearing your full review  :)


Me too!  :D

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« Reply #50 on: April 15, 2008, 12:38:56 PM »
Oh no, I knew this would happen. I can't choose between them (the Plexi and my AC30).
  Review coming later today. i just need to let my ears stop ringing and let my head settle a bit.

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« Reply #51 on: April 15, 2008, 12:58:37 PM »
Ha ha!

They're so different I'm not surprised Alan!

Clean/crunchy and creamy smooth?

or

Loud, biting and rocking?

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« Reply #52 on: April 15, 2008, 03:04:09 PM »
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Ha ha!

They're so different I'm not surprised Alan!

Clean/crunchy and creamy smooth?

or

Loud, biting and rocking?


Dave, the way I set them up, they are surprisingly similar actually.

Firstly, getting a couple of greenbacks in to replace the couple of G12H30's (55Hz) I had in the 4x12 was a huge relief. So the cab is now loaded with 2 x standard G12M re-issues, one Scumback H75 and one Scumback M75. Almost anything would sound nice through this cab, IMO !

  OK, back to the amps, whereas the AC30 just gets vague and woolly past about 10-11 o'clock on the dial, the Plexi stays tight and just gets crunchier and rockier ! - really nice !  Somehow I still actually prefer the lower gain sounds of the EF86 channel in the Vox to the same type of sounds in the Plexi. The Vox definately has more bite in that gain range. Think of Pete T's tones in the Who. that's the sort of tones I'm talking about. The Vox's low gain distortion has a more grainy, biting quality about it that really slices through a mix like a knife. But then as you increase the gain on both amps, the situation reverses and the Vox flubs out, whereas the Plexi just does what it's supposed to - stays tight, and crunches more !
  The Plexi also made me want to tun my delay off more - just didn't seem to need it as much. The Plexi is also a treat to play the volume knob on. Very responsive. I'm normally a vol knob on 10 kind of guy, but this amp could tempt me to experiment a bit (if I keep it !  :wink: ).
  Volume-wise, I found keeping the PPIMV at 11:00 or above really doesn't affect the tone noticeably at all. ThE PPIMV on it's own would not be enough IMO to get decent tone at living room volumes. You could play it that low, but it would be a bit fizzy and harsh. However, just add in -8dB with a hotplate and all was very good at very amenable home volumes. Also bear in mind that my cab is mostly full of quite low efficiency speakers, so this does help.
   I was expecting the amp to be much brighter than it is. I've never played a Plexi in anger (with distortion I mean) before, but their reputation is to be quite a bright, cutting, over harsh amp at times, that defnately needs the treble to be well controlled. I don't actually know what value bright cap Ceriatone put in them - might have something to do with it.  Playing on the normal channel was definately not bright enough for me. Playing just the treble channel, was not especially bright and cutting, just a bit thin, without some of the normal channel blended in with it.   I suspect I'll uses the amp with both channels blended at about the same level - so voiced pretty ideally for me really.

  I really am torn between the two amps at the moment. I think the Plexi is actually more versatile, as it is much more convincing in a higher range of gains than the Vox.  However, the Vox still has my heart on those crunchy low gain tones that I love so much. I think I really need to try out the Ceriatone in a band situation, to get a better idea.
  unfortunately I haven't got any loud gigs or rehearsals coming up. My band is in need of a drummer so everything has just ground to a halt.  I will play the Plexi and the 4x12 at church on sunday, but it's always a bit of a battle to keep my volume low enough to keep all the folks happy.  I wonder if our minister will have a coronary when I wheel in the 4x12. he'll learn to love it in the end !!

  Oh well, thats' about it for now. I'm sure more bits and pieces will come back to me later. I'll also try to get some clips recorded over the next few days - school holidays are not the easiest time to do that though. I'll do my best.

Alan


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« Reply #53 on: April 15, 2008, 03:24:58 PM »
Great review Alan.  They really are different beasts, and in my experience you've highlighted what I also think each amp does best.  They really do have their own "thing" and from what I've heard, this is how I see the amp tones (there's an overlap in the middle where either amp sounds equally good):


Clean --------> Light crunch --------> Heavy Crunch --------> Rock!
                                                   
Vox wins ----------------------<----->-------------------- Marshall wins


The PPIMV affects the presence circuit which is why the plexi sounds better with it over 12 o'clock.  Below that you basically have zero negative feedback and the amp is loose, flubby and gainy.  The PPIMV is best for knocking the edge off the volume when gigging or rehearsing.  It's no Power Scaling  ;)

Also, your comment about lots of treble really applies to JCM800s.  Plexis, if they're done right, sound more rounded and less cutting than the amps with the extra gain stage.

I'm looking forward to the clips!

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« Reply #54 on: April 15, 2008, 05:19:31 PM »
Nice graphic Dave !    :wink:

My problem in deciding is that I tend to use the sounds right about where they both sound good, but in slightly different ways.

At church, the Vox probably has the edge. With my rock band (when we get another drummer), I'm sure the Plexi would edge it.

Hmmm. Decisions, decisions.  :roll:

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« Reply #55 on: April 15, 2008, 06:08:06 PM »
Keep both and become an amp whore like me and Hunter  ;)

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« Reply #56 on: April 15, 2008, 06:35:41 PM »
Alan's review and Dave's diagram are re-enforcing my hysteria to get mine! NEED AN AMP SOON! I'm sick of playing through my Smokey. :lol:

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« Reply #57 on: April 15, 2008, 09:49:28 PM »
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Alan's review and Dave's diagram are re-enforcing my hysteria to get mine! NEED AN AMP SOON! I'm sick of playing through my Smokey. :lol:


Sam,
  This Plexi and my AC30 are the two best amps I have ever owned or played (and that includes an awful lot of expensive amps, Marshall, Cornford, Bogner, Laney, Blackstar, Engl, Martamp (of course !), Orange, Hiwatt, Zinky etc) .  Ailean's Rockerverb 50 is fairly close behind. The Blackstar Artisan 30 also deserves a special mention too and was very, very nice (but would have benefitted from a bigger cab).
   You will LOVE the amp but consider getting a Hotplate for it, if you intend playing it much at home.

BTW, apparently, patience is a virtue !!

Alan

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« Reply #58 on: April 15, 2008, 10:23:12 PM »
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 This Plexi and my AC30 are the two best amps I have ever owned or played (and that includes an awful lot of expensive amps, Marshall, Cornford, Bogner, Laney, Blackstar, Engl, Martamp (of course !), Orange, Hiwatt, Zinky etc) .  Ailean's Rockerverb 50 is fairly close behind. The Blackstar Artisan 30 also deserves a special mention too and was very, very nice (but would have benefitted from a bigger cab).



Alan


I've already ordered the thing and you're still managing to give me extreme GAS! :lol: :oops: Awesome.


Yeah I think a hotplate will follow eventually. Although first will come a cab. It's extremely frustrating that I'm going to be running such a great amp through a god-awful 1x12 cab- converted from a rubbish little practice amp. I wouldn't even have that if I hadn't convinced a mate of mine to give it to me! I just have no money for anything better yet.


Oh and patience...? What's that? :wink:

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« Reply #59 on: April 16, 2008, 08:51:35 AM »
Hey Alan - sounds like you are going to need to sell a kidney and convert to the dark side with TF and Hunter...you're never gonna choose between the 2 :)