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remak

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DC Resistance Question
« on: May 01, 2008, 12:29:55 PM »
There is a common idea that as  DC Resistance increases so does output.

I assume DC-resistance just a rough guide to the number of turns on the coil and its consequent impedance, and other factors must come into play like magnet strength, but could someone explain a little more about this.  Is it a linear relationship? Would a pickup with DC 14KOhm generate an output round 200% of a 7KOhm p/u.

From what I know, calibrated sets have bridge around 15% higher in DCOhms than the neck. This compensates for the wider string vibration at the neck. But what about Rebel Yells? I read the bridge is calibrated much higher than the neck DC: 14.45k/8.3k. Is this  just to give a kick to the bridge ouput or are there other reasons?
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Fikealox

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« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2008, 03:30:20 PM »
You're right about DC resistance simply being a rough guide to impedance. It's not a strictly linear relationship, though. I'll try not to go into too much depth, so bear in mind there are a lot of factors I'm not going to touch on, for the sake of simplicity. I'm happy to get into the nitty gritty if you're really interested, though.

Very loosely speaking, impedance is the sum of the inductance of the coil and the DC resistance. The inductance is increased by increasing the turns of the coil, and by keeping the coils tightly packed.

The DC resistance is basically decided by three factors: the material the wire's made of, the wire gauge, and the length of the wire.

Assuming the first two factors are always the same, a doubling in the length of the wire will double DC resistance, and will have a predictable effect on impedance. Because you have a longer wire, you have to put more turns on the bobbin, which means you'll increase inductance, and thereby increase impedance. Assuming machine-accuracy, this part can be nearly linear...

However, BKPs are scatterwound, which means although the number of turns will have (roughly) doubled, the inductance wont increase in a linear fashion because the coils wont be exactly side-by-side, hence, not as tightly packed as they could be.

Keep in mind, too, that resistance can be changed by changing the wire gauge and material, without effecting a change in induction. This will still affect impedance (because impedance is the "sum" of induction and resistance), but it wont have the double-whammy effect. So you can see the relationship necessarily can't be linear.

I hope that's not too confusing, and helps answer your question. I've used some terms very loosely in order to not make it any more confusing than it needs to be, but let me know if you want clarification or anything :)

-Liam
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remak

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« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2008, 09:49:07 PM »
Thanks for the reply Liam.

So from your posting it is clear that the relationship is not linear so, doubling the DC-resistance will not double the output, but it will other factors being constant, increase it. Can one say, roughly by how much? Would, as a rule of thumb, doubling the DC-Resistance produce roughly a 6dB .. 9dB output gain or is that too naive?

If you feel like posting again, please go ahead with the nitty gritty maths. I'm sure I'm not the only one would find it enlightening.
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« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2008, 09:55:40 PM »
I have no knowledge, but I believe the Miracle Man neck pickup DC res is higher than the bridge, but its output is actually lower. It uses some chunky wire I'm guessing.

Fikealox

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« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2008, 10:44:36 PM »
I just did a few examples on paper with dummy figures, and it looks like if the only factors doubling are length of wire (causing DC resistance to double), and number of turns and length of coil (causing inductance to double), then your impedance should roughly double :)
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