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« on: June 11, 2008, 06:04:54 PM »
Hiya folks,

A long overdue review of my new Mississipi Queens !  I had originally ordered them to put i my '76 Gibson S.G. Standard - to commemorate removing it from comission sale, but when I heard what amazing things they could do - I just knew they belonged in my largely mahoghany based Semi-acoustic' (Tanglewood '335' copy ).

The reasoning was as follows:

They have this incredible ability to simultaniously fatten up the sound of the unwound strings, whilst adding great detail / clarity to the wound strings. In the S.G. this was a luxury - but in the 335 copy it was a necessity. With the 335 I had rather warm but very 'soft' ( both quiet and a liitle hazy ) bass response. The low 'E' in particular seemed to resonate at a frequency that got a bit lost in all the mahoghany. At first I had asked Tim to replace the Alnico II magnets in my Stormy Mondays with Alinico IV - and that did help. That pickup / magnet option however, leveled out the e.q to such a degree of purity  that whilst I could now hear the bass reponse better in all my mahoghany guitars - I also lost a little thickness / sweetness at the top end.

Enter the Mississippi Queens !  Suddenly the 335 had this beautiful  thick/ chewy but CLEAR top end ( as in Larry Carlton ) - and a defined , powerfull, yet sweet bottom end I never knew a pickup could bestow.

They are of course my first P90s of any brand, so they where bound to sound different, but the incredibly accurate balance between Alnico V bridge and Alnico IV neck ( with appropriate windings of course ) - means that both pickups can sit at the same gap from the strings, and change tonal qualities without changing volume.  I know someone on here once said they did not like the way that a M.Q. bridge and neck sound similar - but I love it .

The best way to ( try ) and describe it is that with my B.K.P humbuckers, the bridge pickup was  sounding constonants, and the neck pickup vowels.  With the M.Qs, both where now making vowel sounds , but the "aahhh" came from the neck pickups - and the "oooohh" from the bridge.  

This was the most remarkable  manifestation of mellow but powerful I had ever heard.  The pickups sounded great at any pickup / string gap from 1mm to 5mm - just a different character, any colour you want ...

Rest assured you Rock Gods out there, with the M.Qs set lower down,  and / or the E.Q settings altered - I can imagine these have the power and tone to really 'Rock Out' - plenty of push and 'ooomph' hidden behind those polite chrome covers !

However, for my mellow ( but powerfully clear ) purposes, I found the sweet spot to be 1/16" ( 1.6mm ) between polepiece top and underside of strings as held down at the last fret.  These really are responsive though, you get a different sound with even as little variation of height setting as 1mm, 1.6mm and 2mm ! . At 1/16" I had incredible thick / chewy / clear tones at the top and a clarity in the bass which even enabled me to put nickel strings on a mahoghany guitar and still get that 'zing' when I needed it.

If I could get 3  variations in tone ( all good ones ! ) between 1 and 2mm, then imagine how versatile they sounded when experimenting between 1 - 5mm !

My formerly mumbling low 'E' string now sounds like it has had elecution lessons - and I find it hard to put the guitar down !  In the context that I use them , I  have never , ever heard such tonal flexibility, even form my beloved Stormy Mondays - and that really is saying something ...

Thanks again to Tim ( A.K.A ' mind reader' ) for recommending them to me - and the kind people on this forum that offered advice about their own M.Q.s - and Twinfan for guiding me past the ( very tempting ) 'Riff Raffs' - and onto my dream pickups .

( * Bliss * ) ...
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« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2008, 06:11:42 PM »
Great review :) I have a neck MQ on its way for my Pearl LP but its taking ages to arrive :x the guy I bought it off has been moving flat so hasnt had much spare time yet apparently :\

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« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2008, 06:15:28 PM »
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Great review :) I have a neck MQ on its way for my Pearl LP but its taking ages to arrive :x the guy I bought it off has been moving flat so hasnt had much spare time yet apparently :\


Cheers Tom  :)

Meanwhile, get everything else you need to do in life done before the M.Q. arrives - because afterwards you are going to be doing a lot of playing.

( p.s. send him begging letters )  :lol:

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« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2008, 07:28:52 PM »
Glad you like them! Your review rings pretty true for what I noticed too. At first I wasn't a fan of both pickups sounding similar- I like my neck pup to be warm, almost muddy (yet defined...), which the MQ is not. It's amazing though, I love my Epi LP a whole lot more now.

I'm not a total P90 convert yet though, the MQ I have just doesn't cut it with my band, its TOO fat, I need a bit more bite. Glad i have a Holydiver for that job...
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« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2008, 08:07:14 PM »
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Glad you like them! Your review rings pretty true for what I noticed too. At first I wasn't a fan of both pickups sounding similar- I like my neck pup to be warm, almost muddy (yet defined...), which the MQ is not. It's amazing though, I love my Epi LP a whole lot more know.

I'm not a total P90 convert yet though, the MQ I have just doesn't cut it with my band, its TOO fat, I need a bit more bite. Glad i have a Holydiver for that job...


I can see what you mean about 'fat' vs 'bite'.  I was deemed more needy of the former than the later by Twinfan and Tim - who know what pleases my ears, although I remember that there was another 335 user on here who loves the Riff Raffs for some ' bite 'n' snap.  Just goes to show that the range of existing B.K.P give us a really good set of choices - and cater for all tastes. I was not ruling out the Riff - Raffs, certainly not for the original S.G. 'target' - but rather suspecting that I'd only end up muting the E.Q. - which rather contradicted the purpose of buying them. Bear in mind that one of my main tonal heroes ( Larry Carlton ) often runs his bridge pickup with the tone turned down to 3 !

As I play through ( given half a chance ) - predominantly Fender  or a ( Fenderesgue ) really clean  Laney LH50R-II  amp, - fat was / is the ideal  balance for me.  Just now I am having to just use a Fender 'G-Dec' junior on the cleanest Fender 'Blackface' setting for my jamming fun - but even on that I can hear a taste of what will happen when I uleash the mighty Fender Twin again.

It was interesting ( and informative ) to hear your own take on the P90s though, as such comparisons assist greatly with future purchases.

Cheers !

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« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2008, 08:59:19 PM »
Excellent review !! You sound really happy :) With BKPs it is all about details. Nice!!
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« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2008, 09:20:23 PM »
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its TOO fat, I need a bit more bite. .


unpossible.

Seriously though this has made me worry about geting MQs. I was hoping for a humbuckerish fatness with the bite and clarity of a singlecoil. Mine'll be going in an all mahogany Les Paul as well.

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« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2008, 09:42:01 PM »
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its TOO fat, I need a bit more bite. .


unpossible.

Seriously though this has made me worry about geting MQs. I was hoping for a humbuckerish fatness with the bite and clarity of a singlecoil. Mine'll be going in an all mahogany Les Paul as well.


Well they have bite, just not enough the kind I'm looking for... It's hard to explain. I'd say their pretty balanced tonally, I'll do another demo with the Tiny Terror whacked right up, I love them...
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« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2008, 11:28:25 PM »
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I know someone on here once said they did not like the way that a M.Q. bridge and neck sound similar - but I love it .

That may have been me, I've often bemoaned the fact that I owned four dual P-90 guitars before realising that the neck and bridge simply sound too similar (for me).  But in my defence, I was talking about Gibson and Duncan pickups, never tried the MQs so I can't comment on them.

Or it may have been someone else altogether.  :oops:

But anyway, splendid review Derek.  :)
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« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2008, 11:38:00 PM »
Glad you like them matey - seems to have worked out great  :)

Are the AIV Stormies in your SG now then?

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« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2008, 09:30:17 AM »
Very nice review.

I think I'm like Badgermark, after my initial "WOW" on MQs, I'm struggling a little getting used to them. Unlike Badgermark - I'm getting too much bite for my liking!

But from your review, it sounds to me like we both need to experiment a little further with pickup heights... the missus is out tonight, think I'll get that screwdriver out!
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« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2008, 09:50:26 AM »
Quote from: AndyR
Very nice review.

I think I'm like Badgermark, after my initial "WOW" on MQs, I'm struggling a little getting used to them. Unlike Badgermark - I'm getting too much bite for my liking!

But from your review, it sounds to me like we both need to experiment a little further with pickup heights... the missus is out tonight, think I'll get that screwdriver out!


I wouldn't say I'm struggling, I LOVE them and they're keepers, just something different than what I've been used to the past 6 months. Maybe its just my guitar to blame- a heavy epi les paul of unknown body wood might beef up the bass a little.
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« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2008, 11:40:17 AM »
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I know someone on here once said they did not like the way that a M.Q. bridge and neck sound similar - but I love it .

That may have been me, I've often bemoaned the fact that I owned four dual P-90 guitars before realising that the neck and bridge simply sound too similar (for me).  But in my defence, I was talking about Gibson and Duncan pickups, never tried the MQs so I can't comment on them.

Or it may have been someone else altogether.  :oops:

But anyway, splendid review Derek.  :)


Cheers Phil  :)

I still feel that your comments ( if it was you ) about P90 bridge / neck similaritys are valid, but I had a use for that. If anything,  your comments helped me to understand better what might ( and did ) happen when I bought them. The description sounded nice for my purposes / style   of playing.  I then knew that if I factored in the fact they where B.K.P and wound / balanced voiced as such - I would have more ' breathing space ' within that characteristic - without losing the percieved benefits of that general choice.

The nice ' P.S. ' about the M.Qs  (as B.K.P. are very sensitive to changes in height settings and the instrument's other attributes ) - is that you can widen that tonal gap more than I do,  by messing around with pickup height settings - and using them in the 'right' guitar for whatever reasons you might want fairly close tonal attributes. I could have got a real 'twang'  if I had deliberatley left one pickup lower , or a harder bite had I lifted it a tiny bit higher - but I wanted two flavours of ice cream, not gooseberries or icecream  

I think  I once read something similar on the forum about the 'Miracle Man' pickups - and thought that if I was young and fast enough to play that style -  I would be attracted by those same sort of attributes. I already have other guitars that do the  " bite first, then kiss better " trick between bridge and neck .  

That is why I believe it is the debate that follows a 'review'  that can often yield more insight than the actual review .   The ensuing comments / debate revealing so much more as to how the same attributes have been liked / disliked  in a wider context - and in what models / types of guitars we seem to get  the best results from.

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« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2008, 12:01:34 PM »
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Glad you like them matey - seems to have worked out great  :)

Are the AIV Stormies in your SG now then?



 No mate, as the S.G. is a guitar that I ' collect' much more than play - I have re-fitted the 70s pickups and 70s Schaller bridge back on, and put her back into safe storage with new strings , fret polish and fingerboard oiling e.t.c.  The stock ' Tar Back ' pickups are actually quite pleasant, of course not to B.K.P standards - but O.K.

If I remember rightly, they sounded a bit more open than the current trend for Gibbo 490 / 498 pairings. Having said that, it hardly seems surprising - as the D.C. resistance of those S.G. pickups is  only about 5. 2 K / 7k respectively - and with 500K pots now fitted  / 32 year old magnets that can sound relatively open.   I might ( for authenticity ) - one day - re-fit the intact 70s 300K volume / 100K tone pots and slip back in time ...  

This leaves the AIV Stormies also treasured, polished, boxed and destined for purposes as yet un- defined.   Watch this space ...  :wink:

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« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2008, 12:08:43 PM »
If you ever want to sell the Stormies, just drop me a line.  I'd be tempted to try them in my Gibson LP......

But I'm sure you have something good planned for them  8)