Glastonbury

[Johnny Mac]

I don't think in chain gangs they sung about killing their bitches and hoes with their huge mudda fukkin gun and then banging everyone because they have got the biggest rim of them all.

I see you've done a fair bit of research into the genre then  :roll:

Sums it up in my book. Pile of shitee


 

Not liking something is fine, but doing so on plainly (and I imagine knowingly) ignorant grounds is just daft.

I don't like Rapping or Hip Hop. Fact. In fact I F*cking hate it and feel tense and irritable when in earshot of it. Which makes me allergic to it. So I don't listen to it and won't have anyone tell me otherwise. I know what I like and what I don't.

Great, good for you. But don't suggest that ALL hip hop is as described above. I'm not a fan either, but even a cursory look into the genre would tell you that's as retarded as saying ALL punk is neo-nazi because you heard Skrewdriver once.

Look mate I don't care if it's this or that. I don't like rapping or hip hop. What part of I don't like don't you understand? I can't relate to any of it. The same samples and monotone vocals is enough to make me press buttons on the devise that it's coming from to change the situation.
I like so many different styles of music but just not that stuff. I agree being ignorant of something is no reason to dislike it but with this it's never gonna work. I love punk and I'm aware there was a band called screwdriver but i'm not that ignorant. I like some jazz. I love funk. I like some classical. ect ect but not rap i can't stand it. I'm sure they have some very good lyrics but i don't like the way it sounds.

[nfe]

:roll:

When did I say you couldn't dislike something? In fact, didn't I say I also don't like it? It was the massive, incorrect generalisation I pointed out, nothing at all to do with being a fan or not of a genre.

Honestly, if you're going to take umbridge at something said, at least read the posts in question properly so you don't just repeat "I can dislike it if I choose wah, wah, wah" over and over and completely miss the point eh? Your last sentence is the first thing ypu've said that actually addressed the point and is entirely valid, just completely at odds with every word you uttered previously  :lol:

[Johnny Mac]

If i don't like the way it sounds then why on earth would i want to find out if there is something that might have some good lyrics in it or whatever? If it winds me up to listen to it then thats hardly going to happen with me or anyone else with any genre of music. It's like trying to get my grandmother into The Exploited when she is basing her prejudice  of punk on only hearing The Sex Pistols way back when I was 11. That wouldn't have happened in a million years the same as rap won't with me.
 :roll:

[nfe]

You still seem intent on completely missing the point.

It wasn't anything to do with "getting into it". It was to do with making sweeping generalisations about something that, by your own admission, you know absolutely nothing about.

[noodleplugerine]

You're making the massive assumption that all hiphop or rap sounds the same.

Which is just plain not true.

[Philly Q]

Guys, you're having two different arguments here.  When people accuse each other of "missing the point" it's usually because there's more than one point being made....

Johnny's main point is that he doesn't LIKE hip hop.  I don't think he gives a flying f@ck whether it all sounds the same or not.

nfe's main point is that it you shouldn't generalise and doesn't all sound the same.  And he doesn't seem particularly bothered whether Johnny likes/gets into it or not.

So why keep going on about it?  :roll:

[noodleplugerine]

It's one and the same point Philly.

You can't say you don't like Hiphop if you're totally ignorant of what it is.

And claiming that all hiphop sounds the same - Is exactly that.

[badgermark]

All metal sounds the same. All AC/DC songs sound the same. Hell, all 80s metal is similar to my ears.

Broad, sweeping statements suck. But saying all of hip hop is mumbling rubbish is just ignorant. No problem if you just don't like it, thats fine, just don't bash something that maybe isn't for you.

Anyway I saw some of Jay-Z's set on TV, looked amazing. I'd take him over Oasis anyday. At least he shows he has a sense of humour.

[ToneMonkey]

Broad, sweeping statements suck.

I bet I could make one about Celine Dion that nobody would agrue with  :D

[Will]

It's one and the same point Philly.

You can't say you don't like Hiphop if you're totally ignorant of what it is.

And claiming that all hiphop sounds the same - Is exactly that.

Sorry, but noo. Because in saying that he doesn't like Hip hop, it is understood that he doesn't like what it represents to him, how it has shown itself to him, relating to his experiences with it, and more likely the mainstream parts of it.
Your statement kind of says "you couldn't be a vegetarian, you haven't seen how many different ways there are to eat meat / kill the aminal / different types of meat there are (depending on their reasons)" - You can't tell someone that they must eat meat because they haven't experienced all aspects of it
Its interpretation people...

[nfe]

Guys, you're having two different arguments here.  When people accuse each other of "missing the point" it's usually because there's more than one point being made....

Johnny's main point is that he doesn't LIKE hip hop.  I don't think he gives a flying f@ck whether it all sounds the same or not.

nfe's main point is that it you shouldn't generalise and doesn't all sound the same.  And he doesn't seem particularly bothered whether Johnny likes/gets into it or not.

So why keep going on about it?  :roll:[/quote

Because his original point was that it all has the same lyrical content, attitude and sound, which simply isn't true. He then proceeded to reply to every post I made telling him this with, "I can dislike it if I like", which is fine, but nothing to do with the original point and no one was telling him otherwise, only that making a huge generalisation about something you know nothing about is stupid.

Say I don't know an enormous amount about soul for example, but I decide they are all drug addict, volatile dafties because I do know who Amy Winehouse is, I'd deserve to be called a moron.

[Will]

Because his original point was that it all has the same lyrical content, attitude and sound, which simply isn't true

TBH, I thought it was me that said about the lyrical content and attitude, Johnny only mentioned it all sounding the same. I didn't indicate in any way that it was all like that, but its enough to put me off it, and same for JM I am guessing.
If he has been stuck by neighbours playing the kind of stuff all hours of the day, he can most definately come to the conclusion that it is monotonous / samey.
sorry for the quick reply, so damn bored

[Ian Price]

It's one and the same point Philly.

You can't say you don't like Hiphop if you're totally ignorant of what it is.

And claiming that all hiphop sounds the same - Is exactly that.

Sorry, but noo. Because in saying that he doesn't like Hip hop, it is understood that he doesn't like what it represents to him, how it has shown itself to him, relating to his experiences with it, and more likely the mainstream parts of it.
Your statement kind of says "you couldn't be a vegetarian, you haven't seen how many different ways there are to eat meat / kill the aminal / different types of meat there are (depending on their reasons)" - You can't tell someone that they must eat meat because they haven't experienced all aspects of it
Its interpretation people...

+1. It's like me saying that I don't like mass murderers. Basically I don't like any of them and I don't even want to know what methods they use to kill! A bit extreme but I can totally understand what Johnny is saying.

[noodleplugerine]

It's one and the same point Philly.

You can't say you don't like Hiphop if you're totally ignorant of what it is.

And claiming that all hiphop sounds the same - Is exactly that.

Sorry, but noo. Because in saying that he doesn't like Hip hop, it is understood that he doesn't like what it represents to him, how it has shown itself to him, relating to his experiences with it, and more likely the mainstream parts of it.
Your statement kind of says "you couldn't be a vegetarian, you haven't seen how many different ways there are to eat meat / kill the aminal / different types of meat there are (depending on their reasons)" - You can't tell someone that they must eat meat because they haven't experienced all aspects of it
Its interpretation people...

+1. It's like me saying that I don't like mass murderers. Basically I don't like any of them and I don't even want to know what methods they use to kill! A bit extreme but I can totally understand what Johnny is saying.

It's not quite like that.

The conversion doesn't quite work, with murder how you do it makes no difference in terms of practical morality, but motive makes a huge difference. In music the same sort of thing doesn't quite apply. Truth of the matter is that it is foolish to claim to despise something which you have never heard, and as nobody has heard all music, it is foolish to claim that you hate a genre unless you have heard every example of the said genre.

That's the argument here. You can claim that you hate all examples of a given genre which you have heard, but to pass judgement on the rest of the genre isn't quite right. I thought I hated hardcore, and now I almost only listen to hardcore, since i have found the right bands.

Most people think they hate classical music, and its all boring nonsense, yadda yadda yadda, but then they go to see La Clamenza di Tito, and they're transformed into fanatics.

[38thBeatle]

Honestly, I can't believe  some of the arguments that materialise out of nowhere. So I  can only pass judgment on a given type of music when Ii have listened to every example of that genre....hmm, lets find that nose flute CD that someone bought me a while back I need to re evaluate it.