Glastonbury

[noodleplugerine]

Honestly, I can't believe  some of the arguments that materialise out of nowhere. So I  can only pass judgment on a given type of music when Ii have listened to every example of that genre....hmm, lets find that nose flute CD that someone bought me a while back I need to re evaluate it.

I think its very likely that if you've heard a nose flute cd, you have heard every example of the genre...

[Johnny Mac]

The two of you sticking up for rap and hip hop don't even like it yourselves but are prepared stick up for it.  :lol:
So we must listen to all of hip hops and raps history before we can make any kind negative judgement must we? Bollocks! I think its shite.  :twisted:  I had my haircut at the barbars tonight and they had hip hop and rap on their big sound system. Geuss what? yes i thought it all sounded the same. I had to laugh at the irony, but my toes were curled.
 
Blimey with all this interest in the genre there must be a market out there for the hiphopbucker. Play it anyway you like and it'll sound the same. Just watch those ho's and bitches cook and do the washing up as well when they hear the monotonous tones of the hiphopbucker, it's like they've been hypnotised by some mutha. Now I'm just being silly.  :roll:

[noodleplugerine]

I think its fair enough to claim you don't like what you've heard.

But to claim that all hiphop all over the world is god awful is just plain odd.

And hell, I love Public Enemy...

[gwEm]

no accounting for taste.

johnny doesn't like rapping, and fair play to him. theres also some sorts of rock music i don't like :)

its great that events like glaston exist where everyones favourites can be accounted for.

btw, johnny, i only just read this thread - my comment in the players forum wasn't directed at you!

[Philly Q]

It's one and the same point Philly.

You can't say you don't like Hiphop if you're totally ignorant of what it is.

And claiming that all hiphop sounds the same - Is exactly that.

Can you say you don't like hip hop if you're only partially ignorant of what it is?  Or can you only say you don't like it if you've heard every example of the genre?  In which case nobody's qualified to express an opinion at all.

I'm bored with talking about hip hop, so let's put it another way.  I have friends who tell me Adam Sandler is a comic genius whose films are both hilarious and "wicked".  To test this hypothesis, I've watched many of Mr Sandler's films, and they were all utter shitee*.  I don't bother watching them any more, but I would still maintain I don't like Adam Sandler films, and I believe I have enough background information to justify that opinion.  

Life's too short to waste another 180 minutes of it just to prove that Click and I Now Pronounce You Chuck & Larry really are as totally bollocks as I predicted.


(* this does not include Punch Drunk Love, which is good, but none of Adam Sandler's "fans" have ever heard of it anyway)

[Will]

It's one and the same point Philly.

You can't say you don't like Hiphop if you're totally ignorant of what it is.

And claiming that all hiphop sounds the same - Is exactly that.

Can you say you don't like hip hop if you're only partially ignorant of what it is?  Or can you only say you don't like it if you've heard every example of the genre?  In which case nobody's qualified to express an opinion at all.

I'm bored with talking about hip hop, so let's put it another way.  I have friends who tell me Adam Sandler is a comic genius whose films are both hilarious and "wicked".  To test this hypothesis, I've watched many of Mr Sandler's films, and they were all utter shitee*.  I don't bother watching them any more, but I would still maintain I don't like Adam Sandler films, and I believe I have enough background information to justify that opinion.  

Life's too short to waste another 180 minutes of it just to prove that Click and I Now Pronounce You Chuck & Larry really are as totally bollocks as I predicted.


(* this does not include Punch Drunk Love, which is good, but none of Adam Sandler's "fans" have ever heard of it anyway)

I simply agree with that 100%

I was about to bring up the fact that Noodle, you DON'T like hip hop, as thats a sweeping statement to make, you haven't had the experience of every element of it. Therefore you are now not able to like hip hop.
on these grounds i plan to become the Dictator of a now not so great Britain, and now tell people they can't like anything :)

[AndyR]

It always amuses me that our particular batch of people (musicians, creative people) seem to always get into arguments about what is and isn't cr@p, and what we all ought be opening or closing our minds to!

Back in the late 70's I was heading towards being a rocker, and I was firmly in the "punk is cr@p" camp. "hey they can't even play their guitars properly..." etc

A couple of years later, at Uni, I was in a heavy rock band as lead git, and then started fronting my own blues rock band. I wrote most of the home-grown material for both bands. The camps around both bands did the usual "such-and-such is utter sh1t, why's it No 1?"... and I still joined in.

One day I suddenly realised that I had a lot of effort and emotion invested in the stuff I was doing. And I knew I was bloody good at it. And I imagined someone coming to one of our gigs and then saying to someone else (who hadn't) "oh they were sh1t, don't bother..." when what they really felt was "I didn't like it". But because of how they said it, they were adding their own "and I don't think you should either..." and because we're all like sheep looking for someone to lead us in the "right" direction - the poor fool who hadn't seen us wouldn't bother next time...

Although I was only imagining this, I felt really hurt by it. And then I realised I was doing it as well!!

That night, I came up with this - If one person writes a song, book, poem, paints a picture, stands up and sings, wotever... and then just one other person likes it and wants more, then it was valid and worth doing and "good". It is not really deserving of any adjective from me that implies "bad"... but I can say that I don't like it.

I still believe in what I came up with all those years ago (though I don't always act on it, sadly) - As a creative person myself, I don't feel I can honestly put down any act or genre, but I can say that I don't like them. I also think it's important that I'm allowed to say "I really can't be bothered to check them/it out any further, even if I'm missing something, that's the risk I'll have to take"  - this is mainly because I haven't even got enough time or money to enjoy all the stuff I know I like...

Like everyone else I guess, there are also some types of music that I really can't stand - I have to switch them off or go elsewhere if someone else wants it on. But again, that's about me not liking it, or it managing to raise emotions in me that make me feel uncomfortable, doesn't necessarily mean there's anything wrong with the music itself.

And I'll even defend Celine Dion  :D  (although I don't personally get much joy out her performances and I am very unlikely to buy any of her stuff or go to a gig!).

Hands up how many people here have, or have had, a granny or similar who told them "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything dear..."

Maybe I'm showing my age here, but as the years roll on, this advice seems to be getting more and more relevant... (even though my actual behaviour is becoming more and more "Victor Meldrew" - just ask my wife  :roll: )

[badgermark]

It's one and the same point Philly.

You can't say you don't like Hiphop if you're totally ignorant of what it is.

And claiming that all hiphop sounds the same - Is exactly that.

Can you say you don't like hip hop if you're only partially ignorant of what it is?  Or can you only say you don't like it if you've heard every example of the genre?  In which case nobody's qualified to express an opinion at all.

I'm bored with talking about hip hop, so let's put it another way.  I have friends who tell me Adam Sandler is a comic genius whose films are both hilarious and "wicked".  To test this hypothesis, I've watched many of Mr Sandler's films, and they were all utter shitee*.  I don't bother watching them any more, but I would still maintain I don't like Adam Sandler films, and I believe I have enough background information to justify that opinion.  

Life's too short to waste another 180 minutes of it just to prove that Click and I Now Pronounce You Chuck & Larry really are as totally bollocks as I predicted.


(* this does not include Punch Drunk Love, which is good, but none of Adam Sandler's "fans" have ever heard of it anyway)

I simply agree with that 100%

I was about to bring up the fact that Noodle, you DON'T like hip hop, as thats a sweeping statement to make, you haven't had the experience of every element of it. Therefore you are now not able to like hip hop.
on these grounds i plan to become the Dictator of a now not so great Britain, and now tell people they can't like anything :)

Reign over me is the best film Adam Sandler has ever done. Amazing soundtrack (Pearl Jam's cover of Love Reign o'er me is epic) and some shockingly good acting from Mr Sandler. Check it out!

notice the attempt at directing this away from the most piss weak argument i've ever had the displeasure to read. Not bashing anyone personally, i like you all (even roobubba and his tele racism), but one argument of I HATE ALL RAP IT ALL BLOWS and a few others saying BUT SOME RAP IS GOOD! is rubbish.

Call it quits guys? Hugs all round? But Andy you can just feck right off if you defend Celine. I'll stab you right in the mouth if you say anything nice about that harpie.

[FELINEGUITARS]

It always amuses me that our particular batch of people (musicians, creative people) seem to always get into arguments about what is and isn't cr@p, and what we all ought be opening or closing our minds to!

Back in the late 70's I was heading towards being a rocker, and I was firmly in the "punk is cr@p" camp. "hey they can't even play their guitars properly..." etc

A couple of years later, at Uni, I was in a heavy rock band as lead git, and then started fronting my own blues rock band. I wrote most of the home-grown material for both bands. The camps around both bands did the usual "such-and-such is utter sh1t, why's it No 1?"... and I still joined in.

One day I suddenly realised that I had a lot of effort and emotion invested in the stuff I was doing. And I knew I was bloody good at it. And I imagined someone coming to one of our gigs and then saying to someone else (who hadn't) "oh they were sh1t, don't bother..." when what they really felt was "I didn't like it". But because of how they said it, they were adding their own "and I don't think you should either..." and because we're all like sheep looking for someone to lead us in the "right" direction - the poor fool who hadn't seen us wouldn't bother next time...

Although I was only imagining this, I felt really hurt by it. And then I realised I was doing it as well!!

That night, I came up with this - If one person writes a song, book, poem, paints a picture, stands up and sings, wotever... and then just one other person likes it and wants more, then it was valid and worth doing and "good". It is not really deserving of any adjective from me that implies "bad"... but I can say that I don't like it.

I still believe in what I came up with all those years ago (though I don't always act on it, sadly) - As a creative person myself, I don't feel I can honestly put down any act or genre, but I can say that I don't like them. I also think it's important that I'm allowed to say "I really can't be bothered to check them/it out any further, even if I'm missing something, that's the risk I'll have to take"  - this is mainly because I haven't even got enough time or money to enjoy all the stuff I know I like...

Like everyone else I guess, there are also some types of music that I really can't stand - I have to switch them off or go elsewhere if someone else wants it on. But again, that's about me not liking it, or it managing to raise emotions in me that make me feel uncomfortable, doesn't necessarily mean there's anything wrong with the music itself.

And I'll even defend Celine Dion  :D  (although I don't personally get much joy out her performances and I am very unlikely to buy any of her stuff or go to a gig!).

Hands up how many people here have, or have had, a granny or similar who told them "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything dear..."

Maybe I'm showing my age here, but as the years roll on, this advice seems to be getting more and more relevant... (even though my actual behaviour is becoming more and more "Victor Meldrew" - just ask my wife  :roll: )

Top post !!

I was very disappointed that Amy Winehouse was drunk - too drunk to perform properly at Glastonbury.

It is the same disappointed I felt when Michael Schenker was too drunk/stoned/ wasted to play during his support slot  for the Scorpions last year - although the Schenker hurt me more as I was so looking forward to seeing him and had waxed lyrical to friends prior to the gig

[nfe]

The two of you sticking up for rap and hip hop don't even like it yourselves but are prepared stick up for it.  :lol:
So we must listen to all of hip hops and raps history before we can make any kind negative judgement must we? Bollocks! I think its shitee.  :twisted:  I had my haircut at the barbars tonight and they had hip hop and rap on their big sound system. Geuss what? yes i thought it all sounded the same. I had to laugh at the irony, but my toes were curled.

Just to mention that me and noodle have been arguing very different things and I don't really agree with him, I've held throughout that you can like and dislike whatever you choose, whether you've heard lots of it or not, at the end of the day, if you decide an entire genre is rubbish on whatever evidence and then miss something you'd actually have loved, that's just your loss, no one else should give a fuck. I just think it's idiotic to say that all hip hop is about who has the biggest gun, most bitches, fastest car and snazziest house.

Frankly, I think anyone who seriously believes that (or any generalisation about any genre) should stab themselves in the throat so as to not further polute the race with blatant stupidity.

Also, I've not been sticking up for hip hop. Not in the slightest, I was just saying that, well, you were being very daft. I'd say Will was too, but he aknowledged as much in his second post on the matter.

[bucketshred]

what the hell has been started here?!!!

at the end of the day, surely everyone can agree that you either 'like' some types of music or 'dont like' some types of music. it is all subjective. what i dont like is people who go 'i like rock music so im not going to listen to x, y and z'. hell, im guilty of doing it and most of my close friends are still guilty of doing it.

I like lots of music. In fact, music is music, there aren't many tracks that come on the radio where I think 'god, that is terrible, I'm turning that off'.

and besides, for the whole 'rap is cr@p' argument - rage against the machine had a massive hip hop influence in their music and i cant think of many people who DONT like them, the argument should go 'if you hate rap how can you hate RATM?' but im not getting into that cos its stupid, petty and well below everyones intellectual level (im not saying that everyone does like RATM, its your opinion. this has been taken from my own experience at work, in the pub etc. RATM are one of those bands which ANYONE can generally agree on and always seem to get the most booty shaking on the dancefloor in any rock club).

anyway, i think everyone will love this <blatent plug> www.myspace.com/burningwarship, its balls our rock and roll, no rap, loud guitars, facemelting solos, jack daniels vocals and general fun. plus we're filming a DVD tonight. </blatent plug>

[Kilby]

Blimey with all this interest in the genre there must be a market out there for the hiphopbucker.

Oh thats the one which steals other peoples riffs and claims them as it's own.

Just an observation though it's strange that most of the 'good rap' mentioned is from years back (I can tolerate some like De La Soul and 'A tribe called quest) but for the most part I can agree with most of the general sweep of I hate rap (with the silent C)

I pretty much dislike RAP & Hip Hop, and am saddened that the term R&B has been misappropiated for bland generic pap generated by the music industry.

Amy winehouse I am saddened by as there is no sweetness in her voice it's bloody harsh compared with those she is trying to emulate (and for my Victor Meldrew impersonation, WTF is Winehouse doing on the Smooth Jazz CD thats being advertised on TV ?)

[FELINEGUITARS]

rage against the machine had a massive hip hop influence in their music and i cant think of many people who DONT like them

RATM are far from universally liked!
I like some of the guitar work but dislike Zak's constant angry ranting
Maybe I am just not angry enough myself?

I have often been intrigued by  some of the serious statements made by them and bands like Public Enemy/ Bodycount  but cant listen to it as entertainment.
It leaves you feeling way too bleak in your outlook on life.

My personal gripe with Hip hop etc is their portrayal of women as Ho's and B*tches etc .
Rock bands got slated and censored for having sexual references  or having girls in their videos etc but at least they were discussing "consensual" sex  (usually) and not glorifying an endless circle of pimping., prostitution, drug dealing, gang activities and killing.
Some rap & hip hop videos are almost porn....and they never talk about censoring most of them.

I know not all  Hip Hop is like that but a lot of the stuff is.
Even comedian Chris Rock says " Love Rap music but tired of defending it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9A2I-X7b-w

[_tom_]

I dont really take the lyrics in RATM too seriously, I just like the music and the vocals fit it fine. Cant be arsed with all the political bollocks I just want to listen to some good music :lol:

[sambo]

My my, what a big hoo-har over nothing!!!  :twisted: