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Re: Rage Against the Machine...
« Reply #15 on: July 17, 2008, 11:25:42 PM »
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« Reply #16 on: July 17, 2008, 11:28:06 PM »
They are the soundtrack to a revolution that unfortunately hasn't happened yet.



Is that the revolution when all the left-wing bands sign to multinationals and reform for millions upon millions of pounds? Cause that one's gonne be awesome  :lol: I can't wait to see Crass on Warner Brothers.

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« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2008, 11:33:22 PM »
I also can't understand it. I prefer singers over vocalists, and I also don't understand why Morello is considered a guitar hero to ickle'uns

Because he's written probably the most top riffs of any guitarist imo. When it comes to riff writing, Morello is top imo. Bombtrack, Killing in the Name, Wake up, Know your Enemy, Fistful of Steel, Guerilla Radio, all include some of the best ever riffs imo.

And I've probably forgotten many others.

The first Rage album is easily within my top 3 albums ever.
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« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2008, 11:50:52 PM »
I think they are Marmite.
Some people love em and some people hate them - not much middle ground!

I think their early appeal was summed up by:
""f**k you - I wont do what you tell me" - which usually meant homework, cleaning up your room or whatever drama faced teenagers circa 1993/4

I saw them live in 97 - wasn't moved by them
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« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2008, 12:23:05 AM »
I was never a fan of either Rage Against the Machine or Audioslave.
I got dragged to an Audioslave gig a few years ago and still think they were the best band I've seen live.
Still don't really like Rage Against the Machine though

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« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2008, 07:37:12 AM »
Trouble with Audioslave is that their most recent 2 albums are a bit cr@p. The first one is great bar a couple of songs though :) If you dont like Cochise you probably shouldnt be into rock music at all :P

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« Reply #21 on: July 18, 2008, 09:20:32 AM »
I saw them last in October at the Voodoo fest, they seemed to have a bit less of that raw dangerous edge up until they broke up, but did turn into a more mature band, with that energy still there. I know Morello decided to reform the band after spending some time in New Orleans, and doing some of his solo work around the city. That night he was on fire with that guitar, the Man had a meaning,  what a perfect setting for this band, a half destroyed city that did not get the help it needed by its own goverment. No other band seemed more appropiate than RATM. And when everybody sang Killing in the Name all middle fingers up in the air it was not about some stupid homework, it was real, just look around.  I get to watch NIN, and REM this year... They will have something to say too....!
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« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2008, 09:43:00 AM »
I only really "got" the first album, which is up there in my top 10 albums for sure. The later stuff just doesn't do it for me. That said, I think Audioslave are pretty decent. I do prefer my stuff considerably heavier, in general, but there's some really good musicianship in there, which is why I like them.

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« Reply #23 on: July 18, 2008, 09:44:27 AM »
^What about toms teles, roo? :P

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« Reply #24 on: July 18, 2008, 10:20:58 AM »
Just my opinion, but I cant really agree on most of what's been said...

I can't help but think that they are attempting to sell politics... do they really think that meaningful political change will come by empowering 14-year-olds who couldn't have the slightest idea about politics to overthrow the government? Let's be realistic, that would TOTALLY $%&# up the world. The political message really seems like more of a selling point to appeal to teen angst. Which I disagree with.

I also can't really see what's so great about Morello's riffs either... they seem a little derivative and pretty rarely ever break away from a pentatonic scale. And I would argue that his solos, infact, ARE wanky (see Know Your Enemy)

But yes, their lyrics are truly amazing. Brilliantly thought out with a superb and poignant political message. Here is a superb example:


$%&# you, I won't do what you tell me
$%&# you, I won't do what you tell me
$%&# you, I won't do what you tell me
$%&# you, I won't do what you tell me
$%&# you, I won't do what you tell me
$%&# you, I won't do what you tell me
$%&# you, I won't do what you tell me
$%&# you, I won't do what you tell me
$%&# you, I won't do what you tell me!
$%&# you, I won't do what you tell me!
$%&# you, I won't do what you tell me!
$%&# you, I won't do what you tell me!
$%&# you, I won't do what you tell me!
$%&# you, I won't do what you tell me!
$%&# you, I won't do what you tell me!
$%&# you, I won't do what you tell me!
Mother$%&#er!
Uggh!


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« Reply #25 on: July 18, 2008, 10:30:12 AM »
I dont tend to really pay much attention to the lyrics or take them seriously. Dont give a shite about their political views I just like the music :)

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« Reply #26 on: July 18, 2008, 10:39:33 AM »
I also can't really see what's so great about Morello's riffs either... they seem a little derivative and pretty rarely ever break away from a pentatonic scale.

Exactly, that's why they're so great.  Keep it simple!!  :)
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« Reply #27 on: July 18, 2008, 10:43:53 AM »
'I can't help but think that they are attempting to sell politics'

What is your frame of reference?  We are talking late 80s early 90s political punk here.  Conflict, Crass, The Dead Kennedy's, the New York Hardcore scene were all about direct politics, often in a very preachy way - that was the very point of the music.  No subtlety, just in your face polemic.  OK most of those bands were on small homegrown labels, but that is the genre of music, just as Death Metal bands go on about maggots eating undead corpses.  

I must agree that it gets a bit tiring to have some knob telling you to WAKE UP when he is signed to a huge label

And the pentatonic scale works great for that type of music - it is just direct I-IV-V power chords after all, not widdly lydian stuff.

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« Reply #28 on: July 18, 2008, 10:54:38 AM »
One thing I've always wanted Tom Morello to explain - I don't know if anyone's ever read an interview where he's mentioned it:

What the hell did he mean by "Arm The Homeless"??  :?
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« Reply #29 on: July 18, 2008, 11:45:04 AM »
One thing I've always wanted Tom Morello to explain - I don't know if anyone's ever read an interview where he's mentioned it:

What the hell did he mean by "Arm The Homeless"??  :?

I think it was in fact a psuedo-Spoonerism, and should have read "Home the armless".