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kellar

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Re: New Les Paul Standard 2008
« Reply #15 on: July 20, 2008, 11:27:16 AM »
Gibson has long had their heads up their asses when it comes to pricing. For what you pay for a LP Standard today, you could have a custom guitar made. It has always been a source of frustration for me. I don't think anything will change with the new Standards.  :x
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Re: New Les Paul Standard 2008
« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2008, 11:46:42 AM »

so to recap:

Long neck tenon
New enhanced neck profile
Locking Tuners
Plek'ed setup
Booteek Potis
TonePro Locking bridge
Locking strap buttons

I would say that sounds pretty damn good for a Gibson!

I agree
Does anyone have any experience of a PLEK setup on any of their guitars?
I just had a look at their website http://www.plek.com
I don't need a setup on any guitars at the mo. Just interested to find out if Gibson are on to something good

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Re: New Les Paul Standard 2008
« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2008, 12:00:48 PM »
Plek setups are awesome. Basically, it's like going to a really good luthier for a setup. Some other companies do pleks on their guitars as standard. IIRC Suhr pleks all his guitars.
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Re: New Les Paul Standard 2008
« Reply #18 on: July 20, 2008, 12:05:04 PM »
One of my local shop charges £2500 for the current Les Paul standard so they'll probably charge £3000+ for this new one !!

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Re: New Les Paul Standard 2008
« Reply #19 on: July 20, 2008, 12:16:01 PM »
One of my local shop charges £2500 for the current Les Paul standard so they'll probably charge £3000+ for this new one !!
That's just RIDICULOUS.
A few years ago a LP std. was about £1100...
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Re: New Les Paul Standard 2008
« Reply #20 on: July 20, 2008, 12:30:49 PM »
People will pay just because it says Gibson and USA.
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Re: New Les Paul Standard 2008
« Reply #21 on: July 20, 2008, 12:47:33 PM »
It's interesting, though, that an LP can cost two grand but a Faded SG or V is under £500.  All USA made. 

OK, the LP is a much more highly-spec'd guitar but they're still paying for labour at USA rates.  They're either taking massive profit margins on the upmarket models or knocking the cheap ones out virtually at cost.  Or both.
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kellar

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Re: New Les Paul Standard 2008
« Reply #22 on: July 20, 2008, 01:04:52 PM »
People will pay just because it says Gibson and USA.

The same frustration is felt in the U.S. as well. It has long been a topic of discussion in the states, as Les Paul's are  overpriced (or at least that is the sentiment amongst guitarists). The sentiment in America is "Why are we paying such a ridiculous price for a product that is made on our own soil?" While most people would rather buy a product produced in their own country, one would also like to believe that an American company will keep the interest of the American consumer in mind. Gibson seems to have turned their back on that. They are basically mass producing guitars at a price that most people would reserve for custom guitars. That is highly arrogant IMHO.
Anyway, my point was that the frustration is felt everywhere, not just in Europe.
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Re: New Les Paul Standard 2008
« Reply #23 on: July 20, 2008, 01:35:01 PM »
Here's my 10 year Les Paul journey............ started with a Epiphone then upgraded (always sold previous one beofre buying new one) as follows : Studio, Classic, Smartwood, 2004 Standard, Black Beauty (far too heavy), '58 VOS and most recently my holy grail.... '59 VOS in sunrise teaburst.

Someone on the thread asked about the perceived value of the VOS spec. IMHO, they do make a difference. There is an element of cosmetic engineering with the aged finish and patina etc but the components used and especially the quality of the wood do add to the sound. Mine happens to weigh in at 8lbs 13 ozs - they say a Les Paul less than 9 lbs is a prime example. The black beauty was over 10lbs and akin to a tree trunk round your neck.

My own view is that the price hike between the R8 and the R9 is pretty excessive but, having said that, the sound quality is definately there. All custom shop guitars now include the Plek setup as standard and this has resulted in a much better neck and fret setup. Having said that, I had my R9 scanned on Charlie Chandler's new Plek pro machine (the only one in UK) and although it was perfectly fine he did say they've seen a few new Les Pauls that were way out of alignment so there's a bit of consistency to be dealt with there by Gibson I guess. The first thing I did when getting the R9 was to decide on an immediate pup upgrade to Mules with  aged covers and fitting Jim Dunlop strap locks. Terrific. Whilst I was on, I also upgraded the cheapo Chinese bumblebee caps that Gibbo make a marketing ploy out of to the much superior Luxe versions for only £20. Resultant tone is smoother and slightly warmer.

This new 2008 Standard does look great and I agree withe the comments on the hardware upgrades. I think it's highly likely 2009 will see a extra special 50th Anniversary edition of the '59. Expect a massive price tag with perhaps Brazilian mahogoney and rosewood? Gibson will milk the anniversary year to the hilt (and I suppose I would too if I were them).
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Re: New Les Paul Standard 2008
« Reply #24 on: July 20, 2008, 01:38:07 PM »
This does not impress me at all.

I'd still prefer MIJ Tokai or if I had £2k to burn - which I don't, I'd go for custom!

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Re: New Les Paul Standard 2008
« Reply #25 on: July 21, 2008, 09:10:33 AM »
Finally a les paul that shouldn't need a fret dress straight out the box. It's a bit steep though, does this mean that the customs will be going up to £4000?

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Re: New Les Paul Standard 2008
« Reply #26 on: July 21, 2008, 10:09:54 AM »
I think the improvements to the new Standard are long overdue, it's good to see it being done at last.  I guess they'll come in around the £1500 mark?  Comparable to PRS Singlecut, which I think is what's prompted the change.  They need to have a product that can compete with PRS, and at the moment they don't.

They'll have to be consistent and play well out of the box though if they want to get the sales.

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Re: New Les Paul Standard 2008
« Reply #27 on: July 22, 2008, 07:59:13 AM »
Gibson has long had their heads up their asses when it comes to pricing. For what you pay for a LP Standard today, you could have a custom guitar made. It has always been a source of frustration for me. I don't think anything will change with the new Standards.  :x

There you go, just get Feline to make you one of those dandy lions with the ergonomic heal.   Something Gibson could never offer on a retail model (without the price shooting up another 1000).
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Re: New Les Paul Standard 2008
« Reply #28 on: July 22, 2008, 08:39:25 AM »
Would rather buy an R8 by that price...
Or an extra few hundred and then Feline...

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Re: New Les Paul Standard 2008
« Reply #29 on: July 22, 2008, 09:15:24 AM »
[There you go, just get Feline to make you one of those dandy lions with the ergonomic heal.   

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