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Antag

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Headphones: an industry standard??
« on: July 20, 2008, 09:18:38 AM »
OK, just bought a couple of pairs of headphones:
Sennheiser MD280 & EH350

They both sound good, but the thing that most strikes me about them is how much better both sound than the Beyer Dynamic DT100 I already had.  They both seem so much more "lively" & noticably louder.

Which makes me wonder about the DT100s.  I got them on the recommendation of a Guitarist mag review which called them "almost an industry standard" for studio work. I can't help but wonder why?  They just seem so flat-sounding, or is that the whole point of them?  To sound as "neutral" as possible & not colour the sound at all?

Or does it have something to do with independance?  My DT100 are 16ohm, the EH350 32ohm & the HD280 64ohm - would I have been better off getting the 400ohm DT100s?
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Re: Headphones: an industry standard??
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2008, 09:58:27 AM »
The mag probably called them almost industry standard due to their relatively cheap price, rock solid build, comfortable fit, and relatively flat response (and also the fact that they're closed back, which is useful for studio and DJ applications.
The 16ohm model you have is more likely to be used for field monitoring, as it will be far easier to drive by small, built in amplifiers than headphones of higher impedance, which are usually used in studios with dedicated headphone amps.

By the sounds of things you just prefer the Sennheiser sound to that of Beyerdynamic. Youl'll find that most headphone brands have a "house sound", and that by experimenting with different brands you'll find qualities that you like and dislike in each brand. You'll also find that different headphones sound better for different styles of music and have different objectives in mind.
i.e. Some headphones will be built to give a flat response. Some will have a contoured frequency response, that while inaccurate sounds more "hi-fi" and pleasing to the ear on first impression. Some will be made with dramatic peaks and troughs in the frequency response, in an attempt to make a more 'revealing' sounding phone, which emphasises subtleties often missed in recordings.
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Re: Headphones: an industry standard??
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2008, 12:29:54 PM »
The DT100 is very cost effective- every component on it can be replaced, unlike the majority of other headphones. They are reasonably flat, and as you said, are not designed to really colour the sound. The HD280 is good, but has a bit of a low and high boost- good for listening, but not so much for mixing, but you can always work around it, it just makes it a bit harder to judge :)
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Re: Headphones: an industry standard??
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2008, 12:41:14 PM »
Yeah, I haven't attempted to record or mix with the HD280s yet, so perhaps I'll come to appreciate the DT100s then.

Certainly the DT100s are sturdily built, don't weigh a ton & can be comfortably worn for a long time.  They also isolate external sound very well (I record in the same room as my Engl Savage & can still hear the click track and/or backing tracks just as well as what I'm playing).

But the difference in volume was a surprise - the HD280 seems at least double the volume (i.e. swapping one for the other in my stereo without touching any controls).  Is that anything to do with the 16ohm vs 64ohm independance?
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Re: Headphones: an industry standard??
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2008, 12:46:12 PM »
Yeah, I haven't attempted to record or mix with the HD280s yet, so perhaps I'll come to appreciate the DT100s then.

Certainly the DT100s are sturdily built, don't weigh a ton & can be comfortably worn for a long time.  They also isolate external sound very well (I record in the same room as my Engl Savage & can still hear the click track and/or backing tracks just as well as what I'm playing).

But the difference in volume was a surprise - the HD280 seems at least double the volume (i.e. swapping one for the other in my stereo without touching any controls).  Is that anything to do with the 16ohm vs 64ohm independance?
The percieved loudness of a headphone is usually reduced with an increasing impedance rating (as a very general rule). Take a look at the sensitivity ratings of each headphone's drivers to find out which is really louder though.
By the sounds of things you might have the 400ohm DT100 rather than the 16ohm one you think you've got. That would explain why it's quiet and sounds a lot duller (it would require a dedicated and highly powered headphone amplifier to get the best out of it).
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Re: Headphones: an industry standard??
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2008, 02:25:37 PM »
Well, I bought the 16ohm one, thinking it was the best for my requirements & it says 16Ω on the side of the headphones, so I'd assume that's what it is....
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Re: Headphones: an industry standard??
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2008, 11:30:08 AM »
Well unless they've got the drivers mixed up I can't think of a logical reason for the sounds you're hearing. Just be glad your new phones sound better! :)
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Re: Headphones: an industry standard??
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2008, 11:19:44 AM »
Yeah, I'm starting to wonder.  I just plugged both the HD280 & DT100 into my Presonus HP4 Headphone amp.  The DT100 are noticable quieter here too (i.e. it's not just the headphone output of my hifi where I see this).

Not sure about "better" but at least I now have good headphones for hifi listening (which I guess the DT100 was never designed for...)
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