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willo

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Questions...Help please
« on: July 25, 2008, 08:39:32 PM »
Hey guys,

long time no see...

part of what this post is about.

Man, I used to practice guitar 7 hours a day. I could rip away MAJORLY.

That was probably about 2 years ago. Since then, I got into other things. I definitely had a lot of fun with the women...stopped practicing so much. created better music from being more mature, but less technical ability.

major distraction :D

It's like my teenage years hit in my early twenties instead. Does this make sense? So, yeah, I partied hard, and I slept around. I decided that, for some reason, I like sex with strangers. Its fun.

I am not so obsessed with guitars, saving all my pennies and chasing the latest obscure effect. I don't do that now.

Now I am doing well in the band. But I am unable to fully 'surrender' to it. The band is going good, chances of support slots with Elbow, Blood Red Shoes and other bands. Maybe getting involved in some indie films too.

But its a drag on my time. I LOVE creating music but I am not a huge fan of live performance, nor recordings. I just like singing along to songs really.

I'm rambling here.

What I'm asking, particularly for experienced guys round here, is how did you figure out social life V band?

All my musical idols lived and breathed music, at the expense of their social life it seems. John Frusciante springs to mind, my hero. But I LOVE socialising. and I love women. I also have career goals and hate the current filler job I just do to keep money in the bank for recording.

Its like tonight, I could play guitar all night. But I have an 18 year old 'friend' coming over. I don't really know if my life is $%&#ing wierd and I lost the plot, or if my goals just changed?

I wish I could explain that a little clearer but I can't cos it makes no sense to me.

Thoughts would be welcome.

Cheers.

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« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2008, 08:58:03 PM »
Welcome back.

Didn't you just live the rock n' roll lifestyle?

There's plenty of musicians combining music with what you call socializing.

I don't have much time ATM but I think your hormones were just having their way with you. You being back and thinking about it could mean your hormones are dropping to a more normal level.

I'll probably get back into it later or maybe the others wil take over for me.

Anyway, nice to have you back and no regrets of your actions I hope?
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« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2008, 09:03:37 PM »
Ah Willo, little known fact is that Willo here is the reason I post here. I 'followed' him over from the old jftabs site. Ah memories. But all you think about now is mammaries it seems...

I'm not much help here, I have a fulfilling job starting soon and a great girlfriend for the past 4 years. And a band that keeps shiteting the bed. Not gloating here, just have fun and do what you enjoy. If it's hammering into young, lithe ladies go for it.
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« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2008, 10:05:15 PM »
Hey Willo, good to "see" you. Nothing wrong with liking the ladies but I guess you love the music to a point. In many ways thta is better than being totally obsessed because music can be a fickle beast. I can't answer your questions. All I'd say is try and enjoy life as much as you can.
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« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2008, 10:42:48 PM »
Hey Willo, have to say I can't identify with your situation in any way whatsoever, so I have zero "wisdom" to offer.

But it made an interesting read.  :)
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« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2008, 02:40:47 AM »
Hi Willo! I think you are just doing fine man!!.
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« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2008, 09:32:53 AM »
Hi Willo, you don't know me, but I thought I could possibly offer some useful comments on your situation.

It seems to me like you need to clarify what your long term goals are for your life. OK, so you are in your low twenties. When you are that age it seems like the world is your oyster and that you have all the time in the world to figure out what you want to do with work, life etc.
  But, with work and careers etc, there is definately a "window of opportunity" where potential employers still see you as young and with a full working life ahead of you, for them to direct.
  if you're not careful, you'll soon find yourself getting near, or over, 30 and employers will not look anywhere near as positively on you.

  You need to ask yourself - if the opportunity arises, do you really want a career with your band ? If the answer is yes, then I'd give it a fixed amount of time to either "make it" or not.  After that you owe it to yourself to pursue other career goals.
  If you're really not that bothered about a career in music anyway (and it sounds like you probably aren't), then I'd be honest with the guys in the band and let them know. You will be of working age for a very, very long time. To be fulfilled in your work (and actually have a career which you enjoy) usually takes a lot of effort to get the right qualifications, and also not to leave it too late.

  Personally, I decided (in my early twenties actually) that I would keep music as my hobby, and not persue a career in it. I reckon it was one of the better decisions that I have ever made. I have continued to enjoy my music for the next 20 years, and have not had to feel limited and squeezed into a box of doing the type of music I would need to do to earn a living.  Seems to me that most pro musicians are always making music to other people's rules, and at times that suit other people. Amateurs generally can get to do it mostly by their own rules, hence with a lot more enjoyment.

  As for women, I am not going to moralise in the slightest to you, but be aware that if you hope to have a loving stable relationship with just one lady one day, then you are currently creating habits in yourself that will make that very difficult when the time comes.

Good luck with getting all these desicions right !

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« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2008, 10:17:48 AM »
Ha, I had a massive reply typed to this but it became rather confessional.

Basically, I was much like you in my late teens, early twenties. In terms of the "lifestyle", do as you like but try not to hurt anyone too much. This often results in having serious repercussions with young ladies boyfriends/fiances/husbands/fathers.

And I see no reason why you can't have a career and pursue music, I do quite easily and with the majority of music I listen to, nigh on every band is made up of guys with full time jobs as there's simply no money in underground extreme metal.

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« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2008, 06:52:27 PM »
there's simply no money in underground extreme metal.

w0t?!! no dollaz in da br000talzzz???
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« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2008, 07:04:24 PM »
more helpfully; if someone gave me the choice of being a successful musician and having no sex, or having all the sex i wanted, but never listening to music... well i'd be the musican.

luckily the world isn't like that, and we can have both - word up nfe!
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« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2008, 08:43:50 PM »
wow guys, thanks. I'll go through some of the points on my question to figure everything out...

Didn't you just live the rock n' roll lifestyle?There's plenty of musicians combining music with what you call socializing.

Yeah, but they EARNT it...you know? They hit the success, then they reaped the benefits. I am scared of getting distracted from my core talent by all these 'fun times' that I'll just end up boozed up and bloated in a pub boring the $%&#ing ears off some kid telling him how I could have been a contender...

that's the crux of it.

Hey Willo, good to "see" you. Nothing wrong with liking the ladies but I guess you love the music to a point. In many ways thta is better than being totally obsessed because music can be a fickle beast. I can't answer your questions. All I'd say is try and enjoy life as much as you can.

Oh I LOVE music.

Way I see it, is an identity crisis of sorts...bear with me...I used to be ABSOLUTELY 'tortured musician' to a tee. Heartbroken and $%&#ing sad all the time. Sad and frustrated.

I figured some things out in my life and now I'm happy. I have a great time. I feel much more like the guy I was supposed to grow into. Like a MAN, not a kid....:)

But it is unfamiliar waters for me. Whereas I used to just cry about girls, nowadays I couldn't care less. I had two over last night, one after the other...that heartbroken unrequited love stuff doesn't make sense to me now.

I still believe in love FWIW, just not contemporary culture's definitions of it.

So anyway, all the music that used to 'make sense' to me nowadays I just look at it like, 'WTF is he singing about?' It doesn't connect so much now I don't have that sadness. Likewise, my chief inspiration for song writing went.

I feel like John Frusciante cleaned up and bland as opposed to when he was $%&#ed but made the best music ever. I can write great hooks and parts, but man, without that overriding pain in my soul I feel empty a little now it has gone.

I'm centred and happy but since i lost my sadness I feel like a lost something that was a big part of who I thought I was.

Does this make sense? Bit of a big topic, I know.

Basically, I was much like you in my late teens, early twenties. In terms of the "lifestyle", do as you like but try not to hurt anyone too much. This often results in having serious repercussions with young ladies boyfriends/fiances/husbands/fathers.

Yep. Always an eye-opening experience....the things people hide from you. Suffice to say, its like an underworld. All this crazy shite goes on I never even seen before.

no regrets of your actions I hope?

 oh god, no.
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« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2008, 10:16:12 PM »
Sorry to say it, but maybe you should stop whining and put music on hold? Seems that you are unhappy with your musical direction, then stop? I live my life to the philosophy of if it ain't fun don't do it. Band makes you unhappy? leave. Banging ladies and enjoying yourself? Keep it up.

You must be the only person I've heard about being sad whilst being happy. That's crazy!
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« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2008, 09:58:01 AM »
I'm with badgermark on this one - "if it ain't fun don't do it"

A few years back I was suicidal. All sorts of things contributed to it (and not the least was "me"!!).

For years I'd assumed that music was one of the few things keeping me going. Then one day, I realised that music, and the band I was in, was the main thing that might be about to kill me. I gave up music completely for several years, put the guitars in the attic and took up hobbies "for me" rather than to satisfy the "music" that had been driving me for 20-odd years.

It's taken several years for it to come back, but it has, as a hobby that I really enjoy. Recently I've spent far more on gear than I ever did when I was playing in front of, and "for", people. But it doesn't have control of me emotionally, and it doesn't stop the rest of my life happening.

It does, however, mean that I'm one of the old guys telling tales of what I used to do!...  but f*ck it!! I feel I've earnt the right... :lol:

Hang on in there willo - do what you want to do, rather than what you think you ought to want to do, and "don't be a victim" (try to make sure you do stuff because you decided to, not because you felt like there was no other option and it seemed like some other git was controlling things)
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« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2008, 12:01:13 PM »
It looks to me like it's the pendulum effect.

Your pendulum has swung from the one side all they way to the other side.

At one time it will balance out in the middle.
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« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2008, 11:54:28 PM »
It looks to me like it's the pendulum effect.

Your pendulum has swung from the one side all they way to the other side.

At one time it will balance out in the middle.

Yep.

Its funny because this last week I have been spending time with a girl and its all good. Just chilling and stuff. All good.

She just called me up to come over but I have to sleep :D

I played the night with the band, now I sleep!! Life is good again, things just feel 'right'.

I maybe lost my path for a little while. But it is good to go through these things, and good to ask these questions. It lets you know who you are and where you are.

Thanks to everyone who replied! I appreciate it.

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