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artypaul

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Difference between Nailbombs and Cold Sweats
« on: August 25, 2008, 08:01:32 AM »
Hello all,

I'm thinking about getting a new humbucker set for my mahogany Dean V, to complement the Painkiller I've already got in my Peavey Wolfgang. I'm looking for something with similar definition, but a little more versatile - not quite so metal. I was wondering what the difference is between the Nailbomb and the Cold Sweat (predominantly I'm interested in bridge position, but curious about the neck too). I guess the Holy Diver might be another option, but I worry about that one being a little too similar to the Painkiller.

Thank you for any advice.

Paul.

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Re: Difference between Nailbombs and Cold Sweats
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2008, 12:06:45 PM »
the cold sweat has some painkiller DNA, but the holy diver sounds nothing like it
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Re: Difference between Nailbombs and Cold Sweats
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2008, 11:05:33 PM »
The cold sweats would be better than the Nailbomb in a magoh guitar, the ceramic pickups will give you more bite and attack.

The nailbomb can be quite a dark pickup and i think is sticking in a all mahog without a maple cap may only add to it.
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artypaul

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Re: Difference between Nailbombs and Cold Sweats
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2008, 01:36:17 PM »
Cool - thanks for the advice. My V does have a maple cap, but given it's a cheaper Korean model, and not a US guitar, I'd imagine the cap might not be that significant. That said, the Dean blurb claims the cap adds brightness to the guitar...

I find the whole recipe of guitar sound to still be a bit of a mystery - I've looked through the forum many times but seem to retain very little of the info. Harder still, I know the sound I want, but I find it difficult to explain. I also find the descriptions of the various pickups to be hard to visualise - I don't really seem to have an adequate frame of reference. This is my reason for asking a question which has already been asked so many other times in various forms...

Thanks again for all advice.

Paul.

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Re: Difference between Nailbombs and Cold Sweats
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2008, 07:56:38 PM »
Don't feel bad about the frame of reference thing, it really does take years of swapping a lot of different pickups, in combination with a lot of guitars and amps before you start to get a feeling for the characteristics of the whole thing. I've worked with a lot of pros and most of them wouldn't be able to tell if you replaced their stock pickup with something quasi-comparable from another manufacturer. And sometimes even when you know tone, you'll think you have a cool new setup until a week or two later, and your ears start to notice something isn’t happening, or something in your tone isn’t all there. I had that happen when I threw the current Petrucci Dimarzio rig in my old Shawn Lane Charvel, I thought it was the coolest rig until a while later when I realized it was actually kind of weak and hollow. The Mahogany archtop probably just wasn’t a good pairing with those dark pickups. But I’m sure I could have given that axe to any number of players, they could have done a gig with it and thought it was just the coolest sound ever. It takes a while to get the palette for tonal subtleties.

On the other end of the spectrum, it seems like you have people who imagine all kinds of thing in tone that probably aren’t even there. It’s like the old Penn and Teller bit where they stand behind a 5 Star establishment filling plastic bottles from the restaurant garden hose, and then go inside and have the diners compare the different types of pricey exotic water, and you see these people swishing the water and commenting on its crispness or sweetness, when it just came from a hose. I think some people do that with tone too. I’m a super-noob on these boards, but I can tell the people here actually hear tone and know how to get it.

Anyway, on the subject of your dilemma, you said you wanted something toneful that isn’t quite as malicious as your Painkiller, and I’m thinking the Cold Sweat would probably be good, from all I’ve read as well. I’m finding out (from my similar thread about Sykes tone) that the Cold Sweat is sort of like the Les Paul John Sykes Mahogany Dirty Fingers of the BKP world (which means it’s probably even better) so for your mahogany Dean I’d say that’s probably safe. Ceramic with organic tonefulness might be more what you’re looking for, rather than the tone I hear when I listen to clips of the Nailbomb.

Then again, I'm the new guy. Just my 2 cents.

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Re: Difference between Nailbombs and Cold Sweats
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2008, 08:59:41 PM »
Hey JShred -

Very eloquently put. I think you've grasped exactly what I'm after. Thank you for that.

For me they key thing is to get the most useful source sound out of the guitar - from that point on I'm going through a 10 band EQ and a fairly high gain pre-amp, so I can change the sound a fair bit - what I can't do is add detail, or the organic quality that BKP's can excel at. In all honesty I think I could probably put three or four different pups in my guitar, and EQ them to get a tone I like. Damn Tim and his wide-ranging product line! If he only offered a couple we'd all rest easier...

Thanks again.

Paul.