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using PC to record guitar
« on: August 30, 2008, 10:38:12 PM »
I been thinking of geting a few bits for recording on to pc and manipulation.  It may not get any further than thinking.  Realistically im not that good on guitar but enjoy it, :lol: so its only really for me to few  ideas down.  Im thinking of going for somthing that will connect by usb.  Have done a little looking about and the line 6 stuff looks intresting, that said it scares me stupid buying line 6 gear with all the reliability issues you here about.  What would you reccommend?  I also had a little look at guitar rig 3.
As well as this I been looking at cubase and similar programs. Got to say its going over my head a little trying to tell the difference between  Cubase 4, Cubase studio, Cubase SE, and Sequel2.  Any one any idea on them or other packages?  If I do decide to bite the bullet I was thinking of  a budget of a couple of hundred quid though its not set in stone.  


Any help or ideas greatly appreciated

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Re: using PC to record guitar
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2008, 11:11:31 PM »
I just bought a Line 6 Toneport and am quite fond of it. :D If you go down a bit further, you will find my review of it.
For $99 you can download the Riffworks program that comes with it. Seems perfect for recording on your PC and getting your ideas down. Total cost less than $200.
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Re: using PC to record guitar
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2008, 11:24:00 PM »
Just bought a Line 6 Toneport and feckin' hate it. :evil: It's a GX model; let me know if you'd like to purchase it.

For putting down basic ideas you'd be fine with Audacity probably, which is free and easy to use :)
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Re: using PC to record guitar
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2008, 11:25:53 PM »
Just bought a Line 6 Toneport and feckin' hate it. :evil: It's a GX model; let me know if you'd like to purchase it.

For putting down basic ideas you'd be fine with Audacity probably, which is free and easy to use :)

You gotta get it working first Indy. :D
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« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2008, 11:34:45 PM »
Just bought a Line 6 Toneport and feckin' hate it. :evil: It's a GX model; let me know if you'd like to purchase it.

For putting down basic ideas you'd be fine with Audacity probably, which is free and easy to use :)

You gotta get it working first Indy. :D
I've given up with it completely. I can't get any sound of the bloody thing unless I'm using software monitoring (or using it as you're supposed to - as a standalone soundcard), and even then it doesn't sound very impressive; it's just too "line 6"... which is probably to be expected. I also got a load of randomly placed digital distortion which I couldn't figure out  :?
The thing that sealed the death deal was that it didn't come with the AU plug-in and they wanted me to pay more money for it! $%&#ing cheeky $%&#ing dickheads. Especially when it said on the box  "Plug in to Toneport GX and record your tunes with the tone you crave using your favourite recording application, including Garageband, Logic, Cakewalk/Sonar and many, many more."

I got Amplitube in the end and I'm very happy :) I'm sure the Line 6 stuff is great; just not for me and my current set-up.
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Re: using PC to record guitar
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2008, 11:37:06 PM »
I can sympathize man. I have had more than my fair share of frustrating moments.
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« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2008, 12:49:30 PM »
Sorry if this is a bit long and waffly, but I remember when I was considering getting going on PC recording that any info was a good thing...

If you read the Line6 forums it sounds like there are horrendous problems, but bear in mind that they are support forums, and 90% of the posts are "it's fecked, what have I wasted my money on?" - all the happy punters aren't posting on there.

I've got a lot of Line6 kit, and have had minimum issues:
POD 2.0 (bean) - no problems at all
POD XTLive (fully loaded with all model packs & bass expansion) - occasionally I have to re-calibrate the pedal, otherwise no problems
Variax 500 - haven't used it for ages, last time it was out of the case it was exhibiting a possible piezo problem, but more likely a loose connection, I'll get round to it...
Variax 600 - had to replace the nut when I bought it, and it has the "intermittent fault due to shorting out in the coffin" problem - I'll sort it out next time I restring it...
Variax Bass - not used it for ages until doing some recording yesterday, absolutely no issues (except the strings are a bit manky!)

The guitar issues are exactly what you get on "real" guitars - loose connections, cr@p plastic nut, etc - but people posting on the Line6 forums seem to miss that!

I didn't buy a toneport for various reasons. One of which was the Line6 update program (Monkey) told me that Gearbox or whatever program it was (I could get it free because of my XT) can't be guaranteed to function because my laptop's Hard Drive isn't up to it (I think it was DMA versus PIO, don't quote me - I spent a while trying to configure it but gave up. My wife's PC is configurable, I had the drives working both ways, but my somewhat older laptop just does it's own thing even after you've told it otherwise... :roll:).

Also, I don't use my POD XTLive as a usb soundcard because of noises like Indy described - not been able to help you there, sorry Indy, I put my problem down to a) clashing with my main soundcard (external digital/midi usb box by Edirol), and b) possibly something to do with this DMA issue on my hard drive controller. But I use the Edirol anyway, so I never investigated further...

Anyway, roland_rat, in my experience, Line6 kit is just like everything else - you get what you pay for. They have their share of f-ups, but stuff seems to get replaced if it's actually broke. The toneports look like a "magic bullet" to get started if you haven't got an audio interface yet. I understand some models even have phantom power for condenser mics etc (I bought a mixing desk to get that sorted!!)

The biggest problem I had setting up my "studio" was the "soundcard"/"usb" thing - mine is an Edirol UA-20, the cheapest thing I could find at the time. It's an external Audio/Midi 24-bit digital usb interface. Installing the driver, and getting my recording software to recognise it and profile it was a one or two day nightmare several years ago. I bought the Line6 gear after that was sorted when I found I needed to get decent amp modelling. It sounds to me like kellar and Indy's problems with the toneports were/are "soundcard" problems - basically "computer and periphal device" configuration problems - and in my limited experience you're going to get those sorts of problems whoever the supplier is!

When it comes to the amp-modelling, it'll be a matter of taste. I'm ok with Line6 amp-modelling sounds, but I have recently converted to a Vox Tonelab LE - I much prefer most of their models (no recording interface there though - might be a good choice on Vox's part - leave the dodgy computer bit to someone else...! :lol:)

For recording software I would definitely recommend Cakewalk. I use their Home Studio from several years ago, if I ever upgrade, it will be to Sonar. I know a few people that have used Cubase type stuff, and usability-wise it sounds to me as if Cakewalk scores more points... The Home Studio software I bought was about £100, it came with plug-ins - soft-synths, additional (and better) studio effects - and LOADS of help on getting started (how to use compression, eq, etc, etc). Four or five years on, I still haven't bought any other software.

I also use Audacity for vinyl to digital conversion (it came with a usb turntable I got last christmas), it's good for that job, but I wouldn't want to try multi-tracking with it!! I am interested in checking out the other freebie one that kellar's gone for - can't remember, was it Reaper? - sounds like that might be easier to use for multi-tracking.

Not sure how much help any of that is - but you definitely want to give it a go. Once you've got it set up, it is so much easier to use than the four-track cassette recorders that we old people had to use (and pay far more for!!) 15-20 yeas ago! And it's a lot cheaper than going to a recording studio :D
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Re: using PC to record guitar
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2008, 01:18:14 PM »
Good post Andy.
I had the same problems when I first set up my Toneport- ASIO settings on my computer were set to PIO when they should be in DMA. I switched it. Windows seems to have a mind of its own. When I run the Monkey compatibility check, it still says that my computer drivers may not be compatible due to the driver settings (despite the fact that they are now in DMA mode). Regardless, it works fine and I haven't had any issues.
I had white noise/breakup problems in the beginning as well and it boiled down to adjusting the latency in gearbox. I haven't had any problems since.
Regarding the recording software, I dropped Audacity (I had the old version) and downloaded Reaper. Initally, I was quite impressed with Reaper. Unfortunately, after a few days issues started to pop up. I couldn't record anything without there being a slight delay between the playback and what I recorded. Basically, nothing lined up. I messed around with settings and whatnot and eventually got frustrated and ditched it. I downloaded the new version of Audacity and it seems much more user friendly. Although, the recordings sound sub-par in my opinion. Reaper's audio quality was certainly better IMO, but I just couldn't get it to work right. But hey, it is free software.

Eventually, I will buy some recording software. I quite like the Toneport. I think you will find that any product you buy to work in unison with your PC may have issues.
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Re: using PC to record guitar
« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2008, 01:28:04 PM »
I think you will find that any product you buy to work in unison with your PC may have issues.

That's exactly what I was struggling to say in the middle of mine - very succinctly put :lol:

I was also trying to say it when you were thinking of the toneport a few weeks back. It's why I go for standalone modelling kit. My Edirol thing works, and until I need to get a new PC and the fight with Vista starts, then I don't want to add anything that stops it working!!
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Re: using PC to record guitar
« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2008, 03:29:54 PM »
Thanks guys some really  great advice.  I was looking at the cakewalk stuff what do you think of this :-

Cakewalk USB - Sonar Power Studio 250 £140 at dolphin music

http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/shop/flypage/product_id/34449/r/base

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Re: using PC to record guitar
« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2008, 03:37:29 PM »
Have any of you guys got experience with Digidesign M-boxes and protools? What do you think?
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Re: using PC to record guitar
« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2008, 03:44:45 PM »
Hi, was just having a look at them  though I think it could be a  little over what I want to pay.
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« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2008, 04:15:32 PM »
Wooo!

At first I wasn't sure what software was in the Power Studio 250, so I followed the link to the Cakewalk site...

If my laptop died, I'd have to be getting a new computer of some sort, it would have Vista on it - which I'm scared of from a music point of view... Put it this way - I'm no longer scared :D. If this imaginary "new computer" was on the desk in front of me - that Power Studio 250 is what I'd be ordering right now.

If their claims are correct (easy to set up, ready to go), and my experience of Cakewalk has all been good, then this is the beast - full recording studio plus the audio/midi interface for £140!

You can worry about the amp-modelling later if the bundled Amplitude LE isn't to your taste. EDIT: Or you might be one of these people, braver and more patient than me, who is happy to try mic-ing up your valve amp.

You've almost got me gassing for a new PC so I can justify ordering this!!

EDIT: Fikelox, not tried them, and according to the specs, Sonar has somewhat more flexibility (I just got that off the Cakewalk site - they compare the package to an M-box), but then I am a Cakewalk user already :lol:


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Re: using PC to record guitar
« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2008, 05:05:01 PM »
Andy I'm using Vista and recording on it within Reaper ok. I got more latency and other problems on my old XP laptop and wouldnt even consider going back to XP now. Vista looks and feels so much nicer and works just as well for me. Had a few problems before but I didnt have the proper driver for my onboard sound installed.

I'm probably getting a Presonus Inspire 1394 firewire interface soon, presonus have Vista drivers so I hope it runs ok. If not I'll be a bit pissed off though. I'm interested in that Power Studio 250 though tbh I'm fine with Reaper right now, does everything I want it to and is really easy to use. If you can convince me otherwise I might go for it though, its only £40 more than the interface I'm looking at :P

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Re: using PC to record guitar
« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2008, 05:39:28 PM »
I managed to download a trial version of Sonar 7 from Cakewalk.  I know its not the same version but its giving me a bit of a taste for  the software.  Im away for a few days so guess it gives me a bit of thinking time.  Thanks once more everyone.
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