Rebel Yells, Crawlers, Holy Diver, or Cold sweat???? In my Les Paul Custom

[mikey5]

Rebel Yells, Crawlers, Holy Diver, or Cold sweat???? In my Les Paul Custom Whats better for hard rock through classic metal??? I play through an orange amplifier. Can the Rys and crawlers nail that metal tone or do they break up??

[Will]

Ok, well for a start... one thread does usually do for one question ;)

I have tried a Holy Diver in a LP custom, I don't think its quite what you want, very growly. Miracle men followed, and are smooth, and can do some classics quite well with the tuning of the volume knob.
I have heard that the CS will usually do well as a low powered ceramic, and I gather is classic (ceramic style anyway) voiced.
I am wanting to try a RY for the more 70s band sounds you mentioned though.

[mikey5]

But what about even higher gain stuff like Metallica? is the Cold Sweat still good for that? :D

[Will]

Miracle man does Metallica easily. Search Transcend's clips

[mikey5]

Yea I know the Miracle man can but I don't want something that high output. I want to be able to get the grind from a pedal. Would crawlers or cs pickups be ok??

[il˙ti]

Look, instead of asking about bunch of pickups how about giving us a little information about what TONE you want? All BKPs are good and many are very versatile and sound good in les pauls, so it's really not about "which one is better for hard rock/metal". I've got Mules and Crawlers in my guitars and though the two sets are vastly different they are both great for all the styles I play, but in different ways.

What direction do you want to go over the stock pickups? Brighter, warmer, fatter, more/less grind more/less mids? Give as much info as you can. (and keep it in one thread, please)

[mikey5]

Brighter, warmer, fatter, more/less grind more/less mids?

I like that fat sound out of Gibson Paf pickups but Id like something hotter. Like a Paf on steroids Id like to get some good grind out of it for stuff like Master of Puppets highway star stuff, but without going overboard to something that is too high output. I just discovered the audio clips and have gone through those and I liked the sound of those two the best, hope they werent overly doctored up sounds, anyway good tones. I want something that is between a paf vintage sound and closer to a high output pickup. Something that growls nicely in overdrive and wails loudly in leads I want good mids too. Sorry about my posts I tried writing owners of pickups directly but they didn't respond. Thanks for answering its nice to have a forum to find out about stuff like this I guess that makes these pickups the best right
Mike

[gwEm]

recently i've been impressed just how high gain you can go with the cold sweat. you can do grindcore, br00talz etc etc with it quite easily.

'paf on steriods' is often used to describe the crawler.

[il˙ti]

^That's the stuff I'm talking about!

Sounds like a Crawler set is right up your alley. The neck model is essentially a PAF wound a little hotter (7,6K alnico AIV) and the bridge has the vintage flavour but with enough output to sound plenty tight under gain, both for rythms and leads. "paf on steroids" describes it very well indeed. And you WILL hear the growl instantly when you plug it in.

[_tom_]

I am wanting to try a RY for the more 70s band sounds you mentioned though.

I found my Mules (and pig 90 actually) are better for 70s rock than the RY - its just too bloody 80s sounding for me!

[Catalyst77]

Ive tried Rebell Yells and Cold Sweats in my Les Paul Custom - The cold Sweats won hands down for me.  I don't think the RY's are best suited to all mahogany guitars.

You can do pretty much most things with the sweats and the cleans are pretty damn good for a ceramic too.

[ericsabbath]

Like a Paf on steroids Id like to get some good grind out of it for stuff like Master of Puppets highway star stuff, but without going overboard to something that is too high output. I just discovered the audio clips and have gone through those and I liked the sound of those two the best, hope they werent overly doctored up sounds, anyway good tones. I want something that is between a paf vintage sound and closer to a high output pickup. Something that growls nicely in overdrive and wails loudly in leads I want good mids too.

cold sweat.
seriously.

[mikey5]

tnks

[mikey5]

cold sweat.
seriously.
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Why Cold Sweats over Crawler???

[HTH AMPS]

I used to have a Crawler in my Les Paul std, 'PAF-on-steroids' describes it perfectly.  I wanted something more true vintage so I now have Mules.

I have less experience with ceramic stuff as it never sounds right for classic rock stuff in the midrange whenever I've tried ceramic pickups.

The problem with what you want is that on one hand you want classic rock with fat midrange, then you want Metallica which is all scooped mids.  Thats asking alot of any pickup imo - decide which you play more and err towards vintage or hot depending on what you play most.