Sludgy, warm tone

[Heavy Jerk]

No problem :)

Anyway, so the answer is Warpig 7 alnico 5?

Thanks a lot!  :P

[il˙ti]

No problem :)

Anyway, so the answer is Warpig 7 alnico 5?

Thanks a lot!  :P

I think you'll be very happy with that yes.

[Heavy Jerk]

Thanks!

edit:

Two more things. :o

 If I'd go with the ceramic version, how much would it affect the sound?
How much would I get in tightness, which I need for some "tech metal" stuff? How much would I loose in warmth?

Also, is it good idea to get the alnico version with 1M pot, because I've heard that the more resistance pot value is, the more bright and clear sound it gets, so maybe it could be a good idea to bright and clear things up a bit?
 8)


 

[il˙ti]

I hope you mean 1M pot. ;) I don't have experience with the Pigs but there's a reason people specifically recommended the alnico version for what you described. MDV can elaborate in great detail on the differences between the two versions so perhaps you should give him a shout. The Ceramic Warpig has been described as extremely tight, and that's probobly not what you want for the sludgier side of things. The alnico Warpig is warmer sounding but plenty tight aswell.

[Heavy Jerk]

 Yeah, lapsus clavis.  :(

My bad. Edited.

Thanks for the answer  PDT_003

[Heavy Jerk]

Well, what ye know, Tim himself has recommended me the ceramic Warpig. :P

[MDV]

The differences between the bridge pigs (I've never played a neck version)

The C-Pig is sharper, tighter and the mids are a little hollow by comparison. Its also a touch more compressed and has quite a bit more attack

The A-Pig is warmer, thicker, has more detail in the mids, more 'girth' and grind, with better clean and crunch tone. The A-Pig isnt 'loose' or 'dark', but its 'looser' and 'darker' than the C-pig. It has a more fluid, liquid sound in legato where with the C-Pig each not is more present.

The C-Pig is better for all-picked stuff (though the best for that is the painkiller) and hyper-aggressive, mechanical metal. The A-Pig will also do that very well, but not as well, but its a more versatile pickup - its cleans are good (not "For a metal pickup", they are GOOD: the C-Pigs are good for a metal pickup) and it backs off better.

[Heavy Jerk]

Thanks a lot!

Well, I don't know what side to choose :P

Tim recommended me the ceramic version, because my guitar is all mahogany, to clear it up a bit:

"Hi Urosh,

I would go with the ceramic version in mahogany for a tighter bottom end response and clearer highs.

kindest regards

Tim"

But I also want great cleans :o

Maybe should I go with the alnico plus 1M pot?

edit: oh yeah, I didn't mention that I play in tune A (ADGCFAD), didn't I. I don't want a bunch of mud on the low A string.

[Fearhk213]

"Sludgy, warm tone" is definitely something the A-Pig can do in spades, but it may not get you there with your axe.  Depending on the particular piece of mahogany your axe is made from that combination may not be as clear as you'd like.  Mahogany can quite often have an abundance of low mids without alot of highs.  If that's how your axe sounds acoustically I'd go with C-Pig as Tim suggested.  For what it's worth I have an A-Pig in an all mahogany guitar w/rosewood fretboard and I'm about to get the magnet swapped out for the ceramic.  I can get a killer sound with the A-Pig, but I have to boost my amps (something I never did before) to get it tight and clear enough; the combination of the low mids from the A-Pig, the low-mids from the mahogany, and the lack of highs from the mahogany lead to a slightly bloated sound if I don't boost.  It doesn't sound bad unboosted, but for the faster stuff I play it isn't clear or tight enough.  I'd probably be happy with the A-Pig boosted, but I want the added cut, sustain, and easier pinches the C-Pig will give.  So I vote C-Pig based on my experience with the A-Pig.

Now if your mahogany axe has it's fair share of highs, isn't too low-mid heavy, you have a tight amp, and you either boost or don't mind boosting then the A-Pig may be perfect for you.  I believe there are quite a few on this board who are happy with A-Pigs in all mahogany so this is all IMO of course.   

If you go C-Pig you could always get a neck pickup that excells at that so you have the best of both worlds.   

[Heavy Jerk]

Thank you very much for your very insightful post!

Well, for now I have an EMG 707 in my guitar. It has ebony fretboard. I am tuned to ADGCFAD. As for the amp, I am using Randall hybrid, but plan to buy a Peavey 6505. Dunno if it's because of the pickup itself, but I do have a decent amount of highs in my sound.

Oh, and I can't get a neck pickup, unless I do some routing, because my guitar has only one, bridge pickup.  :P

Is the ceramic one still pretty organic? Because, I do need tightness too for playing some stuff like last Death record, and newer Suffocation, something in that style.

But I would have no problem with boosting. Actually, I have a Digitech Bad Monkey, which is a pretty good boost pedal, and it's pretty transparent. I have a Boss GE7 too.

Currently, I am reading some old threads, and I have found some posts through the search function, and in one of them you recommend the alnico version, since "you can always boost it if you don't have enough tight sound". But now I see you are not pleased enough  :lol:

I don't know, I am still undecided.  :?

I definitely want a sludgy sound, but to be able to pull of something like last Death and similar. With or without boosting,  makes no difference.

[MDV]

I think it comes down to the acoustic tone of your guitar. If its bright for mahogany, get a C-Pig (the ebony may send it that way), if its normal to dark then get an A-Pig.

[MDV]

Sorry, wrong way round. You know what I mean. Dark - C-pig, bright - Apig

[Heavy Jerk]

Yeah, definitely. Never mind, I'm gonna wire it parallel (with push pull pot as a switcher) for some useful clean tones.
C-pig it is.


Thanks!

[MDV]

Yeah, definitely. Never mind, I'm gonna wire it parallel (with push pull pot as a switcher) for some useful clean tones.
C-pig it is.


Thanks!

Good shout

Keep us posted.

[Heavy Jerk]

I have changed my mind. AGAIN  :o :lol:

After corresponding with Tim through emails, I think Im gonna go with the alnico one plus 1M Ohm pot to brighten it up, and when I need a tight sound for fast picking parts and such, Im gonna try to tighten it up a bit more with a Digitech Bad Monkey I own (by adding highs?). Also, I hear that the Warpig has, by default, double screw poles and you can apparently adjust them to sound extreme bass-y or extreme treble-y.

Basically, what made up my mind is the juicier and grittier nature of the a5 version, and as you said, excellent cleans.
Fast parts will probably have to suffer, but whatta heck.

Cheers