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TomAwesome

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Nailbomb Vs. Holy Diver?
« on: October 21, 2008, 01:56:28 PM »
Hey, everybody! Long time lurker, first time poster. After quite a while oogling these things, I think I may be pretty close to joining the BKP camp. I'm just a little stuck on what to get, though. I'll try to keep this relatively short since I could babble in circles for a while about it.

I'm getting pickups for a basswood bodied 7-string (Ibanez RG 7421), though I'm already planning to transplant them into a better guitar when I get one... probably something like a maple neck-thru with mahogany wings and hopefully a 27" scale depending on what's available when I'm ready for a new 7.

The bridge is what I'm having the most trouble deciding on. As the thread title implies, at the moment I'm thinking either Nailbomb or Holy Diver. Right now I'm using a Blaze Custom (B:7, M:7, T:6 according to the site, though I could have sworn the site used to say it was something like 6.5, 7, 5.5), and as far as DiMarzio goes, I'm pretty happy with it. I like my bridge pickup to be dominant in the mids with some warm and meaty bass backing it up, but not quite enough to really compete too much with the mids. With the bridge pickup, I like being able to play bone-crushing rhythms, sometimes less crushing rhythms with weird chord shapes and intervals, and big chordy riffs a la Deftones or Devin Townsend. Luckily, I don't think I'll have to worry about note definition/separation in big or strange chords with either choice.

I like the Nailbomb because it seems pretty balanced, does really well with heavy metal, has great presence and definition, and is reputed to be impressively versatile, especially for a pickup that works so well for heavy modern metal. I like the Holy Diver because in all the clips I've heard, it has the same kind of low mid meatiness I like in my Blaze Custom. Not that I'm trying to necessarily get the closest match to my BC here, but that meat is something I've come to really like in my sound in a world where metal is dominated by EMGs. So the HD has the meatiness and girth that I like that seems comparatively lacking in the NB, but the NB has the presence and snarl I like that the HD doesn't seem to have as much of.

It doesn't help too much that the HD is almost always doing classic rock tones that, while great, aren't really what I'm going for. It throws me off, because I'm left wondering if I only think the NB doesn't have enough meat compared to the HD because the heavy metal NB clips are probably mostly EQed with scooped mids and boosted treble while the classic rock HD clips mostly seem to let the mids breathe more.

I seem to tend to prefer ceramic magnets, at least in the bridge position, so how do these pickups act with ceramic magnets? Does it balance the HD out a bit? Does it make the NB a tad too harsh or sterile? What does the NB EQ curve look like, anyway? The descriptions make it sound middy and meaty with just enough bite, but most of the clips make it seem more treble heavy.

While I'm at it, I'm just a tad stuck on which neck pickup to get, too. At the moment I'm thinking either Cold Sweat or Crawler. Right now I have an Air Norton 7, and as far as DiMarzio goes, I love it. Again, I'm not necessarily trying to copy what I already have in BKP form, but that fat, smooth, warm, mid and bass heavy creaminess seems to work pretty well for cleans in the neck position and chords when combined with the bridge pickup. The Crawler seems to be pretty close to having everything I like about the AN7, but the CS, while a bit more PAF than I'd generally go for, seems pretty nice and smooth, too. I guess I'm trying to decide between getting a thick Air Nortony tone or trying something just a tad more open and jingly.

I guess I failed in my attempt to keep it short. Sorry, and thanks to anyone who made it through the whole post!

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Re: Nailbomb Vs. Holy Diver?
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2008, 11:43:28 PM »
they are kinda cousins

think the Nailbomb as a Ninja
it doesn't play by the rules
dirty, fast and deadly sharp
it can rip your throat before you even see it comin'
but can also be quiet and smooth  :twisted:

the Holy Diver is a Samurai
righteous, stronger, educated, but still highly mortal
powerful, but with finesse
will be brutal on the necessary circumstances  :x

 :lol:
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ailean

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Re: Nailbomb Vs. Holy Diver?
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2008, 01:06:35 PM »
they are kinda cousins

think the Nailbomb as a Ninja
it doesn't play by the rules
dirty, fast and deadly sharp
it can rip your throat before you even see it comin'
but can also be quiet and smooth  :twisted:

the Holy Diver is a Samurai
righteous, stronger, educated, but still highly mortal
powerful, but with finesse
will be brutal on the necessary circumstances  :x

 :lol:

I have no idea what that means but it sounds cool and I like the idea that my guitar has ninja's in it :)

Welcome to the forums Tom. I'm afraid I'm not going to try to give you advice here, but I would suggest talking to Tim, either by email or by phone. I think you need to make sure he understands what you need and he may well suggest a custom wind.
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Antag

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Re: Nailbomb Vs. Holy Diver?
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2008, 01:40:06 PM »
This topic has come up before on the forum, try this or this
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Re: Nailbomb Vs. Holy Diver?
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2008, 04:22:13 PM »
I have no idea what that means but it sounds cool and I like the idea that my guitar has ninja's in it :)

neither do I, but the idea sounds cool

:lol:
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TomAwesome

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Re: Nailbomb Vs. Holy Diver?
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2008, 05:51:58 PM »
Thanks for the responses, guys! Ninjas and samurai, eh?  :mrgreen: I think I like that idea!

I had more or less decided to go with the Nailbomb as the safer choice, but after hearing Antag's clip of the HD through a Savage, I'm back to going back and forth in my head.  :trans: I have no idea why this forum has Unreal Tournament emotes, but I think it's great. No word on ceramics?

ailean

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Re: Nailbomb Vs. Holy Diver?
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2008, 08:36:08 PM »
We have a ceramic Warpig bridge, which is bloody awsome, but about as differenct from a Nailbomb as you can get, so not much use here. We also have a cold sweat set which is a ceramic bridge. I'd judge it to be tamer than a 'bomb as it's a vintage wind, but the ceramic magnet does give it a lovely tight response, and plenty of bottom end. I really like the ceramic sound from what I've heard, but wether or not it's a good option for you is hard to say.

You are looking for a certain something, and I still think you should contact Tim directly. I've spoken to him on the phone and you could not ask for a more helpful guy, pick up the phone and you'll hear what you need to hear.
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Re: Nailbomb Vs. Holy Diver?
« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2008, 02:30:05 AM »
Would that be the "sales" or "tech.support" email address?

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Re: Nailbomb Vs. Holy Diver?
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2008, 06:26:06 AM »
sales.

Oh and let us know what he says :)
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Re: Nailbomb Vs. Holy Diver?
« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2008, 08:20:05 AM »
Thanks, and will do!

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Re: Nailbomb Vs. Holy Diver?
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2008, 01:06:40 PM »
I haven't gotten an answer to my email yet, but what about a ceramic Warpig in the bridge? I'm rummaging through clips at the moment. The lows seem to be a bit less overkill than the A5 version, and there's a bit more presence and crunch. While it's probably still just a tad bassier than what I had in mind, it might not be too far from what I'm looking for. How versatile is it, though? How does it do when it's not tearing heads off and ripping flesh? Would it do well for big lush chords across all 7 strings, or would a Nailbomb be a better idea for playing that incorporates that kind of thing?

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Re: Nailbomb Vs. Holy Diver?
« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2008, 04:38:36 PM »
Also, any opinions about an Alnico VIII Nailbomb? This idea is suddenly very appealing to me.

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Re: Nailbomb Vs. Holy Diver?
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2008, 04:28:10 AM »
Put in an order for a Nailbomb/Cold Sweat set, AV all around.

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Re: Nailbomb Vs. Holy Diver?
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2008, 06:18:22 AM »
Cool :) Let us know what you think!
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