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Re: Anyone got Far Cry 2 yet?
« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2008, 05:43:32 PM »
I also consider securom some sort of hybrid of a bug and malware.

And I consider Crysis to be Far Cry 2. Obviously.

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Re: Anyone got Far Cry 2 yet?
« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2008, 09:25:52 PM »
You planning on checking out Fallout 3, MDV?

It's pretty much the opposite in terms of DRM, no cd key needed, no disc needed, and no securom... I miss when all games used to be like this.
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Re: Anyone got Far Cry 2 yet?
« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2008, 10:02:39 PM »
I couldnt even finish the Crysis demo, I found it so dull.

Cant say I've had a problem with the DRM stuff, you have to put in a key when you install most games dont you?

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Re: Anyone got Far Cry 2 yet?
« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2008, 10:11:55 PM »
I couldnt even finish the Crysis demo, I found it so dull.

Cant say I've had a problem with the DRM stuff, you have to put in a key when you install most games dont you?

That's SERIOUSLY not the issue.
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Re: Anyone got Far Cry 2 yet?
« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2008, 10:43:46 PM »
Whats the other problems? I have no idea what it is really but I cant say its affecting me in any way (that I know of) :?

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Re: Anyone got Far Cry 2 yet?
« Reply #20 on: November 02, 2008, 01:13:17 PM »
I might well, noodle. It looks pretty cool. Really nice to see they treat their paying customers correctly!!

Tom, the problems are in customer rights, mainly.

To start with securom cant be removed from your computer by anyone with less than advanced PC knowledge. It has nulls in its registry entries that make them non-deleteble. Publishers havent the slightest right to force this material on your PC.

Then, they dont tell you its there. I only knew it was on FC2 after I installed it, when I first ran it. I assume thats when the screen came up for you, too. Thats the first time they tell you that this non-removable extra software is there.

Now, FC2s particular implementation of it is better (you can revoke an activation when you uninstall) but in games like mass effect and spore any hardware change makes you use up an activation. YMMV, but something as simple as another ram stick or even an external hard drive can make secuROM think that the games been copied to a new PC and make you reactivate it. When your reactivations run out (you have 5) you have to go pleaded to the publisher to get them to let you play your game that you bought. This is akin to having every game be on an un-written liscence to use it, rather than it be a purchased item.

You need the activations to play the game so when the publishers server goes down or they go bust, you cant play it. I'm sure all of us still like games that are relics (Homeworld comes to mind for me: if this were true of that, it would never be playable again)

Even with revocations of installations, the continual reactivation scheme is only mistrusting of paying customers. Farcry 2 is already cracked. If you want it for free its so very, very easy to get it, but us ppor saps that actually bought it have to tollerate being treated like thieves, and like we dont own the game we've paid for.

Then theres the fact that, since they know your IP address and PC setup and the EULA is carefully worded to allow them to sell that information on its very possible that this entire thing isnt even for copy protection at all, but gathering customer information without customers permission. Its well worth noting that the free downloadable demo of bioshock had the full version of secuROM on it. If members of the public can crack the game and take securom out, then the devs certainly can, and theres no need to put copy protection on something thats free - so why is it there??

And then theres the damage it can cause to your PC:

There is currently a lawsuit against EA for using this shiteeee

heres some more info

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Securom#SecuROM_v_7.x


I also just found out that crysis warhead has it on as well. I just ordered that! Grrrrrrrr. I suppose its already on my machine now, I may as well play the game :(
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Re: Anyone got Far Cry 2 yet?
« Reply #21 on: November 02, 2008, 01:22:07 PM »
Oh, noodle, looks like you cant install FO3 if you have common disk burning software, and it does have securom.

I'm getting sick of this shit. I dont even play games that much. I'm just gonna stick to guitar: I they dont have DRMs :D

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Re: Anyone got Far Cry 2 yet?
« Reply #22 on: November 02, 2008, 01:26:04 PM »
"The developing corporation Bethesda producing Fallout 3 in an interview assured the public that they would not be utilising any remote-activation DRM but merely the basic disc checking version. However shortly after the release customers discover that this is not true, and instead the game contains a version of SecuROM v7.36 which checks for the disc as previously stated but also has an invasive kernel-mode driver which checks for commonly used CD/DVD writing software on the system and if detected, the installation is aborted. The version sold on Steam does not have this restriction."

:? Bit cr@p. I might just get Fallout 3 on steam then.

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Re: Anyone got Far Cry 2 yet?
« Reply #23 on: November 02, 2008, 02:16:18 PM »
doesn't pretty much everyone have some kind of CD/DVD burning software on their computers these days?

if every company started doing this we would all have to run virtual machines for burning software, but then this is quite advanced and to be legit you'd need a licence for a second operating system, on top of this it's putting up barriers to entrying into PC gaming, so technically the industry is killing itself and so such people will stick to consoles

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Re: Anyone got Far Cry 2 yet?
« Reply #24 on: November 02, 2008, 03:26:04 PM »
Oh, noodle, looks like you cant install FO3 if you have common disk burning software, and it does have securom.

I'm getting sick of this shit. I dont even play games that much. I'm just gonna stick to guitar: I they dont have DRMs :D

Weird, I have alcohol and Daemon tools running 24/7, I didn't notice anything!
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Re: Anyone got Far Cry 2 yet?
« Reply #25 on: November 02, 2008, 03:29:08 PM »
odd.. I reckon I'll just get it through steam as its more convenient. You dont get the cool packaging though :cry:

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Re: Anyone got Far Cry 2 yet?
« Reply #26 on: November 02, 2008, 04:25:41 PM »
Oh, noodle, looks like you cant install FO3 if you have common disk burning software, and it does have securom.

I'm getting sick of this shit. I dont even play games that much. I'm just gonna stick to guitar: I they dont have DRMs :D

Weird, I have alcohol and Daemon tools running 24/7, I didn't notice anything!

Excuse my ignorance, but what are alcohol and daemon?

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Re: Anyone got Far Cry 2 yet?
« Reply #27 on: November 03, 2008, 09:19:08 AM »
Oh, noodle, looks like you cant install FO3 if you have common disk burning software, and it does have securom.

I'm getting sick of this shit. I dont even play games that much. I'm just gonna stick to guitar: I they dont have DRMs :D

Weird, I have alcohol and Daemon tools running 24/7, I didn't notice anything!

Excuse my ignorance, but what are alcohol and daemon?

Alcohol 120%, and Daemon Tools are 2 virtual mounting programs, basically essential if you're downloading games... If securom are picking up typical burning software and NOT picking up these, something is REALLY $%&#ed up.

They make a virtual disc drive on your computer, or they have drivers to make your computer think you have an additional disc drive, and then you can download .iso files, which is basically a disc as a file, you can then load that disc-file into the program, and it will tell the computer that you have inserted one of these discs into this new disc drive, which the pc thinks is actually there, but its really just a driver trick, from then on you install the game as if you owned the cd.
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Re: Anyone got Far Cry 2 yet?
« Reply #28 on: November 03, 2008, 10:00:17 AM »
Oh, noodle, looks like you cant install FO3 if you have common disk burning software, and it does have securom.

I'm getting sick of this shit. I dont even play games that much. I'm just gonna stick to guitar: I they dont have DRMs :D

Weird, I have alcohol and Daemon tools running 24/7, I didn't notice anything!

Excuse my ignorance, but what are alcohol and daemon?

Alcohol 120%, and Daemon Tools are 2 virtual mounting programs, basically essential if you're downloading games... If securom are picking up typical burning software and NOT picking up these, something is REALLY $%&#ed up.

They make a virtual disc drive on your computer, or they have drivers to make your computer think you have an additional disc drive, and then you can download .iso files, which is basically a disc as a file, you can then load that disc-file into the program, and it will tell the computer that you have inserted one of these discs into this new disc drive, which the pc thinks is actually there, but its really just a driver trick, from then on you install the game as if you owned the cd.

Thanks!

Not that I'm gonna do it (unless this DRM absurdity continues) but thats a good explanation, cheers

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Re: Anyone got Far Cry 2 yet?
« Reply #29 on: November 03, 2008, 02:47:47 PM »
The reason daemon tools and Alcohol are not causing issues is simply becasue they lie to Securom about their existance.

Another reason (amongst so many) to dislike Securom is that it tends to slow down games, every system call is passed through it's encryption layer, this is also another reason for system instability within Secirom protected games.

This instability is often passed off as gfx & sound card drivers

It's not just the existance of CD writing software that causes blacklisting, simply having an IDE & a SCSI Cd writer installed at the same time causes no end of upset, as Sony say that such a situation is not normal !

I loathed Securom so much that I did at one point write an app for removing it from games a few years ago. I stopped simply because I decided that the games where not worth the money I was spending for testing purposes.

Typically a major update of Securom (according to version numbers) required about 10 minutes to update the decryptor, it was boring.

I felt sorry for the people relying on Securom to protect their products. Doubly so as it only took about 5 evenings to from beginning until I had a working decryptor.

There are guides for removing Securom from your machine (once you uninstall a game) I will post them once I get the time to hunt the links out.
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