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Philly Q

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Re: Satch sues Coldplay!!!
« Reply #45 on: December 06, 2008, 10:58:12 PM »

 Then again, he is American.

 Ahem... aahem! Treading murky waters here.  Let us not generalize.

Wasn't meant as an insult or criticism, just an observation that you guys are historically much more inclined to litigiousness than we are over here.

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Before he retired, my uncle was an anaesthetist in a hospital in Tacoma.  One day a guy suddenly collapsed in a corridor.  My uncle administered CPR, saved the guy's life.... but cracked one of his ribs in the process.  The guy sued him.
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Re: Satch sues Coldplay!!!
« Reply #46 on: December 06, 2008, 11:13:43 PM »
Apparently this was written and released before Satch released his song - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G57CgtX-BsI

sounds like he has some explaining to do :lol: If its true that they did release that song before him and he's blatantly copied it, then I have lost any respect I had for him - trying to sue someone for a song he himself ripped off :lol:
Now if the Coldplay track differed from the Satriani track by that degree there wouldn't be a problem, but Viva la Vida is WAY closer to If I could Fly than If I could fly is to that.
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Re: Satch sues Coldplay!!!
« Reply #47 on: December 06, 2008, 11:19:47 PM »
The lead line sounds pretty damn similar to me, except it has too much trem arm wankage :P

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Re: Satch sues Coldplay!!!
« Reply #48 on: December 06, 2008, 11:25:52 PM »
Now if the Coldplay track differed from the Satriani track by that degree there wouldn't be a problem, but Viva la Vida is WAY closer to If I could Fly than If I could fly is to that.

yeah, exactly. For example, that other creaky boards song which coldplay is also accused of ripping off sounds very similar to viva la vida too, but probably not close enough to sue- unlike the satch song (in my opinion, of course).

Apparently this was written and released before Satch released his song - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G57CgtX-BsI

sounds like he has some explaining to do :lol: If its true that they did release that song before him and he's blatantly copied it, then I have lost any respect I had for him - trying to sue someone for a song he himself ripped off :lol:

at the risk of sounding ridiculously biased, to me that doesn't sound as similar to satch's as coldplay's does. it has a whole extra line (maybe two), etc. you couldn't put one over the other, in other words. it sounds like a different chord progression too (could be wrong- just going by ear), and has a bunch of extra notes.

that almost sounds closer to this:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=8zmhY20ZZkY

:lol:

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Re: Satch sues Coldplay!!!
« Reply #49 on: December 06, 2008, 11:41:37 PM »
^What?! :lol:

You said a minute ago it was the melody which was the whole point of the song, and THAT is the part which is exactly the same in the song tom linked.

I do see what you're saying- the Coldplay and Satriani tracks are more generally similar, but being generally similar isn't enough for a plagiarism case, imo.

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Re: Satch sues Coldplay!!!
« Reply #50 on: December 07, 2008, 12:13:00 AM »
the fact of the matter is, Coldplay are wank and deserve to pay for their crimes against music :P

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Re: Satch sues Coldplay!!!
« Reply #51 on: December 07, 2008, 12:36:43 AM »
the fact of the matter is, Coldplay are wank and deserve to pay for their crimes against music :P

Fine, but let them pay in such a way that everyone benefits, not just Joe Satriani.

If Satch has a strong enough case to get something out of Coldplay, I sincerely hope Los Enanitos Verdes sue his ass.

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Re: Satch sues Coldplay!!!
« Reply #52 on: December 07, 2008, 02:05:00 AM »
I am on satch's side, but, at the same time,arent we all a little f#%ked up here...???unless we got into music to "make a million dollars"......arentwe all thieves????now, realize, If I came up withan identifiable melody like that, I would want some compensation...but at the same time , I would be VERY PLEASEd if someone..anyone...was LISTENING  to stuff I made up...lets give satch some royalty love and move on???I dont really know....BUT

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Re: Satch sues Coldplay!!!
« Reply #53 on: December 07, 2008, 02:17:39 AM »
Shouldnt the people who invented musical scales and chords also get some moolah? ;)

That other track's guitar hook sounds extremely close, probably even more close because it's on guitar too...

I think all the good hooks like that have been made already, and is why i haven't heard a song with a good one in a long long time.


Edit : Just spent some time noodling around in rifftracker with my new bass and slapping guitar on top of it, guess what it sounds like? you freaking betcha! ... do i get sued now?
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Re: Satch sues Coldplay!!!
« Reply #54 on: December 07, 2008, 11:48:13 AM »
Apparently this was written and released before Satch released his song - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G57CgtX-BsI

sounds like he has some explaining to do :lol: If its true that they did release that song before him and he's blatantly copied it, then I have lost any respect I had for him - trying to sue someone for a song he himself ripped off :lol:

Hmmm the plot thickens. Plus they have 'Nan' on drums  :lol:
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Re: Satch sues Coldplay!!!
« Reply #55 on: December 07, 2008, 12:05:45 PM »
I am going to give CP the benefit of the doubt. I didn't know either song and when I listened I thought that the chord sequence and melody were indeed generic as Sambo has (I think) pointed out.To me, neither are that original.
I have had experience of writing a song that I was pleased with only to have someone say "that sound just like....".I go off and hear the song I have ripped off and yes indeed and yet to my knowledge I have never heard it in my life. I should imagine that the CP boys are, if innocent, horrified.I am not a fan of either. 
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Re: Satch sues Coldplay!!!
« Reply #56 on: December 07, 2008, 05:32:01 PM »
Talking of Coldplay, this one is also intersting.  http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=cRv_yMg5nvw&feature=related - same people involved in the recording and writing.  However this one was interesting too http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=tnzOR8jr7FU&feature=related.  I also like Chris Martin's quote from rolling stone about Coldplay being incredibly good plagiarists!
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Re: Satch sues Coldplay!!!
« Reply #57 on: December 07, 2008, 08:04:15 PM »
^What?! :lol:

You said a minute ago it was the melody which was the whole point of the song, and THAT is the part which is exactly the same in the song tom linked.

I do see what you're saying- the Coldplay and Satriani tracks are more generally similar, but being generally similar isn't enough for a plagiarism case, imo.

yeah, that's what i mean (the last sentence you wrote). just the coldplay and satch ones sound extremely similar (to me, anyway), while the satch and Los Enanitos Verdes one just sounds kind of similar.

my point being that the entire chorus of the satch song is very, very similar, if not identical, to coldplay's verse/chorus (you can put them over each other!), while the Los Enanitos Verdes one only has the first line of the chorus similar to the satch lick, but then it goes into this whole other descending theme, which is an old trick from classical music (or even, say, the lead bit from parisienne walkways/still got the blues).

i dunno. it's subjective, i guess, but to me the coldplay one is too close for comfort, while satch's isn't. :lol:

pretty much what the first comment (by kickmydog1234) is saying, in other words (though i'd agree being in a different key doesn't matter).

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Re: Satch sues Coldplay!!!
« Reply #58 on: December 07, 2008, 11:19:33 PM »
I was talking to Ben (TO) about this the other night on MSN and he said something that I hadn't thought of (hopefully he won't mind my quoting him on here, so I'll try to be word perfect):

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"My guess would be that Coldplay used an outside writer who'd copied Satch's riff, and that Coldplay themselves didn't have any idea it was from another song"

Now, I'm no expert (or fan come to think of it) of Coldplay, but this is an angle that I'd not thought of.

To anyone that may know; do they write all/most of their own songs or do they work with outsider writers?
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Re: Satch sues Coldplay!!!
« Reply #59 on: December 08, 2008, 12:51:05 AM »
No, I think they're a proper band, they write almost all their own material, including that song.

So they get to take the credit... or the blame.
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