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Re: Warpig / Nailbomb / Painkiller
« Reply #30 on: December 20, 2008, 11:13:25 AM »
Stoner = Miracle Man.

Whaaaaaaat?  :?

That's the LEAST suitable pickup BKP make imo.

not really

http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=14597.0
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Uhuh. And I still think pretty much every other pickup (outwih singlecoils, and even some of them...) will do a better dirty stoner tone than the MM. Where's the crunchy goodness! Fuck that scooped nonsense, we want mids in our gritty, dirty rock and roll!

Maybe we think of different music when we say stoner. Certainly what's been played in that clip isn;t what I think of if someone says stoner. It is the most maligned catch all term n the world for a reason  :lol:
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Re: Warpig / Nailbomb / Painkiller
« Reply #31 on: December 20, 2008, 02:18:07 PM »
thanx a lot for your replies, guys!
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the Painkiller is basically the pickup Rusty Cooley needs
Well, my playing is pretty/dramatically different from Rusty's! I've got huge respect for him, he's one of the fastest players on earth, but speed isn't really my thing! Oh, and I'm in a hate-relationship with the 7-8 strings guitars! ;) Since I'm self-taught at guitar, I'm not into musical theory, scales, jazz chords and technical stuff.  I'm definitely more about the riffs and songs, and I play a few leads here and there, but nothing flashy. When it comes to lead playing, I prefer something memorable, solos you can almost sing along. Slash, Michael Ammott (with the Spiritual Beggars, his lead playing is so tasteful!) Steve Morse, Dave Murray, that kind of things... And if I understood well, the Cold Sweat neck will help me to memorably sing!? :lol: Burning for the sake of burning doesn't make sense to me. But I appreciate more technically proficient players too, of course, but it's just not me!
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Where's the crunchy goodness! $%&# that scooped nonsense, we want mids in our gritty, dirty rock and roll!
+1000000000000!!! I love, almost worship, Dimebag, but his rythm sound sucks big time!!! The Carcass's "Heartwork" rythm sound is what I'm after... Or modern metal bands in general (Trivium, KSE, LOG, BFMV, etc.) even if they lacks inspiration and all sound the same, their sound is pretty amazing! And it seems that the Nailbomb will delivers the Good...

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Re: Warpig / Nailbomb / Painkiller
« Reply #32 on: December 20, 2008, 03:20:01 PM »
Uhuh. And I still think pretty much every other pickup (outwih singlecoils, and even some of them...) will do a better dirty stoner tone than the MM. Where's the crunchy goodness! Fuck that scooped nonsense, we want mids in our gritty, dirty rock and roll!

funny how a lot of stoner bands use vintage PAF's, gibson 57's and duncan 59's  :?
those pickups are WAY more scooped than the miracle man and have like 1/3 of the output, which makes the midrange completely disappear and those big mahogany slabs sound like hollow classical guitars
the riff raff, for example, has that beautiful bright attack, but it's still an scooped paf type pickup
so we can't play stoner with a riff raff? come on...



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Where's the crunchy goodness! $%&# that scooped nonsense, we want mids in our gritty, dirty rock and roll!
+1000000000000!!! I love, almost worship, Dimebag, but his rythm sound sucks big time!!! The Carcass's "Heartwork" rythm sound is what I'm after... Or modern metal bands in general (Trivium, KSE, LOG, BFMV, etc.) even if they lacks inspiration and all sound the same, their sound is pretty amazing! And it seems that the Nailbomb will delivers the Good...

true mids come from the amp and speakers
doesn't matter if you have the middiest pickup on earth (the painkiller :lol:), you can still sound scooped if you use cr@ppy settings or scooped speakers (read celestion g12t75)
funny you mention Carcass, cause Heartwork always sounded to me like they had mids on zero  :lol:
Dimebag sounded scooped because of his settings and solid state amps
his pickups were scooped, but he used a monster amount of mid boosting before the amps
I usually prefer middy pickups, but you can't judge the whole final tone from the amount of mids of a pickup
the miracle man has a ton of crunch on the low mids
only lacks high mids
it ain't no bill lawrence or something
the cold sweat is not a middy pickup either and it has even more crunch on the mids than the painkiller (the middiessst pickup on eaaarth! did I mention that before?  :lol:)
« Last Edit: December 20, 2008, 03:22:28 PM by Eric Hellstyle »
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Re: Warpig / Nailbomb / Painkiller
« Reply #33 on: December 20, 2008, 04:38:48 PM »
Uhuh. And I still think pretty much every other pickup (outwih singlecoils, and even some of them...) will do a better dirty stoner tone than the MM. Where's the crunchy goodness! Fuck that scooped nonsense, we want mids in our gritty, dirty rock and roll!

funny how a lot of stoner bands use vintage PAF's, gibson 57's and duncan 59's  :?
those pickups are WAY more scooped than the miracle man and have like 1/3 of the output, which makes the midrange completely disappear and those big mahogany slabs sound like hollow classical guitars
the riff raff, for example, has that beautiful bright attack, but it's still an scooped paf type pickup
so we can't play stoner with a riff raff? come on...

None of those pickups sound scopped in the way the MM does to my ears, regardless of what a chart might say. I guess maybe I'm meaning the top end and low end peaks coupled with the output rather than the mids actually being particularly cut.

Regardless, all I was saying is that every other humbucker BK make and several of the single coils dothe Orange Goblin, Clutch, Sleep, Weedeater, Witchcraft, Electric Wizard etc etc etc thing better than the more geared towards aggressive metal MM. In My Opinion.

Basically no one that I think of as stoner rock/metal uses tones remotely like what you had in that clip and I think that clip typifies the MM. I'm obviously not saying there's anything wrong with that tone and certainly not the pickup, but I know the sound I associate with the word "stoner" and that's not it. :)
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Re: Warpig / Nailbomb / Painkiller
« Reply #34 on: December 20, 2008, 04:57:14 PM »
Uhuh. And I still think pretty much every other pickup (outwih singlecoils, and even some of them...) will do a better dirty stoner tone than the MM. Where's the crunchy goodness! Fuck that scooped nonsense, we want mids in our gritty, dirty rock and roll!

funny how a lot of stoner bands use vintage PAF's, gibson 57's and duncan 59's  :?
those pickups are WAY more scooped than the miracle man and have like 1/3 of the output, which makes the midrange completely disappear and those big mahogany slabs sound like hollow classical guitars
the riff raff, for example, has that beautiful bright attack, but it's still an scooped paf type pickup
so we can't play stoner with a riff raff? come on...

None of those pickups sound scopped in the way the MM does to my ears, regardless of what a chart might say. I guess maybe I'm meaning the top end and low end peaks coupled with the output rather than the mids actually being particularly cut.

Regardless, all I was saying is that every other humbucker BK make and several of the single coils dothe Orange Goblin, Clutch, Sleep, Weedeater, Witchcraft, Electric Wizard etc etc etc thing better than the more geared towards aggressive metal MM. In My Opinion.

Basically no one that I think of as stoner rock/metal uses tones remotely like what you had in that clip and I think that clip typifies the MM. I'm obviously not saying there's anything wrong with that tone and certainly not the pickup, but I know the sound I associate with the word "stoner" and that's not it. :)

come on
duncan 59 not scooped?
I had one and that thing was soooooo scooped that all the time a played a chord I wanted to puke/poop like it was sucking the shite out of my body into a midscoop blackhole vortex  :lol: :lol: :lol:
the only pickup I've heard that was about as much scooped as it was the bill lawrence l500xl

lot of the bands you mentioned are in ONE vein of stoner where pickups voicing don't even matter too much with the amount of fuzz that some of them use

of course the clips I posted weren't the best presentation of its capabilities, as they were recorded with a ENGL preamp clone straight to the soundboard
just give me a JCM 800 and a microphone, and I (me and my greenbacks) will prove you're wrong :D
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Re: Warpig / Nailbomb / Painkiller
« Reply #35 on: December 20, 2008, 05:23:50 PM »
lot of the bands you mentioned are in ONE vein of stoner where pickups voicing don't even matter too much with the amount of fuzz that some of them use

 :lol:

The whole point of mentioning those particular bands is that - other than arguably Sleep and Weedeater and at a PUSH Leccy Wizard - none of them sound remotely alike!  :lol: I was trying to cover the spread of the genre.



ANYWAY. This chap wants a Nailbomb  :D
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Re: Warpig / Nailbomb / Painkiller
« Reply #36 on: December 20, 2008, 05:40:06 PM »
I wouldnt call my Mules scooped and they're basically a paf arent they..

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Re: Warpig / Nailbomb / Painkiller
« Reply #37 on: December 20, 2008, 05:44:10 PM »
ANYWAY. This chap wants a Nailbomb  :D

huh... don't know anymore
I recommended the nailbomb or holy diver before , but he keeps talking about Carcass and Killswitch Engage, and the miracle man is definitely more suitable for that
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Re: Warpig / Nailbomb / Painkiller
« Reply #38 on: December 20, 2008, 05:45:45 PM »
I wouldnt call my Mules scooped and they're basically a paf arent they..

I wouldn't call a mule comparable to any other brand paf type pup
most of them are heavily mid scooped
I've been through gibsons, duncans, 70's gotoh and most of them have a serious lack of mids
lot of people love that, they're just ashamed of saying "I like mid scooped pickups" cause they relate that to high gainers, when it actually has nothing to do with the final distorted sound  :lol:


ps: don't get me wrong
I'm all about mids  :lol:
I have two middy guitars with bright middy pickups, a mid booster, a middy amp with middy tubes modded for more mids through middy speakers
and I use my mids on 8!
:lol:
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Re: Warpig / Nailbomb / Painkiller
« Reply #39 on: December 20, 2008, 05:49:40 PM »
Eric, the Riff Raff isn't PAF, its the patent sticker / T top type sound - theoretically

Either way I wouldn't call a Miracle Man scooped; by BKP standards, yes, but it just has smoother mids and general. The bottom end is tight (doesn't seem that big though) and the highs are crisp.
And I also can't agree with it being ideal for stoner. Stoner = sludgy sound to me, that is NO WAY the MM.

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Re: Warpig / Nailbomb / Painkiller
« Reply #40 on: December 20, 2008, 06:18:30 PM »
Eric, the Riff Raff isn't PAF, its the patent sticker / T top type sound - theoretically

yeah I know
but it's  a similar type
and scooped, in a good way
and the fact that it's scooped won't make a gibson sg + jmp 1987 through greenbacks sound scooped

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Either way I wouldn't call a Miracle Man scooped; by BKP standards, yes, but it just has smoother mids and general. The bottom end is tight (doesn't seem that big though) and the highs are crisp.
And I also can't agree with it being ideal for stoner. Stoner = sludgy sound to me, that is NO WAY the MM.

the impression of scoopness of the miracle man actually comes from the strong high end in the high strings and the bass bump in the low strings
the bottom end is HUGE
I've made direct replacement comparisons in two guitars
one of them had over 14 pickups, including the MM, holy diver, cold sweat, while the other had two miracle men, a holy diver, a bill lawrence and a painkiller
of all pickups I had, the miracle man and the emg 85 had the biggest amount of bass of all
but the emg 85 also has a huge amount of mids, and the miracle man doesn't
next to the bill lawrence, the miracle man has like 3x times the amount of mids of the l500xl, no near as much mids as the holy diver or painkiller (both middy as hell), but a fair amount of low mids anyway
I never said it was it was the ideal pickup for stoner, but saying it's the LEAST pickup for that is pointless, specially considering that most BKP models are articulated and tight as f*** and that some bands use even EMG for that
the painkiller has a ridiculous amount of midrange, but the bass is even more clinical and "djenty" than the miracle man, and the mids are totally clear/less grindy, which makes it less useful for those styles (and it's still perfectly capable of doing that)
the miracle man has a lot of grind on the low mids and that's awesome for sludgy downtuned stuff
I miss mine
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Re: Warpig / Nailbomb / Painkiller
« Reply #41 on: December 20, 2008, 06:49:12 PM »
ANYWAY. This chap wants a Nailbomb  :D

huh... don't know anymore
I recommended the nailbomb or holy diver before , but he keeps talking about Carcass and Killswitch Engage, and the miracle man is definitely more suitable for that

Probably, but you wouldn't think of a black dog for the same styles, but that's what I have (okay, I'm slightly cheating here), but the point is that it's easier to go up in gain with pedals/amp, but harder to get the clean, sparkly stuff from a MM. I also have a MM, by the way.
I'd say a Nailbomb or Holy Diver would be spot on.

Wow, for once I'm actually trying to bring a thread back on topic. WTF?!

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Re: Warpig / Nailbomb / Painkiller
« Reply #42 on: December 22, 2008, 08:26:48 AM »
Waow... Well, PK/NB/HD/MM/XKZ/WG/VDAKCJ/FHQEUIOJHFGUH/FJQIOJF
Thanx, guys, but what's the hell I'm gonna choose now!?
What attracts me to the Nailbomb the most is that it seems to be great at almost every style, so I think I won't go wrong with it. And since it would be my first approach to BKP, I'd like to be impressed, almost shocked by these pickups! And it seems that the Nailbomb will provide the "Oomph Factor" I'm looking for!?
Yeah, I refer a lot to Carcass and KSE, cause that's THE KIND of sound I'm after, but not only! I like to roll back the vol/tone pots here and there,  I'm not into "balls out distortion" all the time! I think the two aforementioned bands have a really tasty rythm sound, but I know what it takes (besides the pickups) to get such a sound recorded! I love the rythm sound of the 'tallica's Death Magnetic too, for example. You know, that "BOooing!" sound on the low strings, if this makes sense?

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Re: Warpig / Nailbomb / Painkiller
« Reply #43 on: December 22, 2008, 05:19:17 PM »
Waow... Well, PK/NB/HD/MM/XKZ/WG/VDAKCJ/FHQEUIOJHFGUH/FJQIOJF
Thanx, guys, but what's the hell I'm gonna choose now!?
What attracts me to the Nailbomb the most is that it seems to be great at almost every style, so I think I won't go wrong with it. And since it would be my first approach to BKP, I'd like to be impressed, almost shocked by these pickups! And it seems that the Nailbomb will provide the "Oomph Factor" I'm looking for!?
Yeah, I refer a lot to Carcass and KSE, cause that's THE KIND of sound I'm after, but not only! I like to roll back the vol/tone pots here and there,  I'm not into "balls out distortion" all the time! I think the two aforementioned bands have a really tasty rythm sound, but I know what it takes (besides the pickups) to get such a sound recorded! I love the rythm sound of the 'tallica's Death Magnetic too, for example. You know, that "BOooing!" sound on the low strings, if this makes sense?


lol you're so confused that you're confusing us
a holy diver will give more oomph than the bomb
I have a framus cobra and one of my bands play some kse and machine head stuff and I had the holy diver, miracle man, emg's and all kind of pickups in the same guitar
I can assure  you the miracle man was better for that sound
not my favorite pickup, but it fitted those modern metal tones way better than the others, imo
but I prefer the Pantera and early Dio crunchy tones, so I like the Cold Sweat bridge better for metal (I know the Holy Diver was supposed to have the early Dio tone, but it sounds more like today's Doug Aldrich, while the Cold Sweat sounds more like early 80's Vivian Campbell)
for more organic/open distorted stuff, the Holy Diver is really hard to beat if you want thick tones
but now you talk about Metallica (EMG 81) and Death Magnetic (damn, I hate those guitar tones)...  :? :? :? :?
maybe you should buy 3 bridge pickups, try each one for a week and pick your favorite  :lol: :lol: :lol:


by the way, can you post pics of your guitar?
those USA Idols look awesome
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Re: Warpig / Nailbomb / Painkiller
« Reply #44 on: December 23, 2008, 07:03:49 AM »
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Metallica (EMG 81) and Death Magnetic (damn, I hate those guitar tones).
:P really!? You're because the first to tell me that! On "the end of the line" for example, I think it sounds pretty good. I think it's not mainly the EMG81, it's more about the Diezel VH4, the vintage Marshall's and Mesa's, the new KH Randall. Sorry, but I like it way better than the Metallica's early days tone, and feel no shame about that, period!!! I never feel some shame music-wise, even when ... no... nothing, forget about it... :lol:
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I can assure  you the miracle man was better for that sound
not my favorite pickup, but it fitted those modern metal tones way better than the others, imo
I've read that the MM's midrange wasn't as strong than, said, the NB or the Painkillaaaah (you know, the middiest pickup...) :lol:
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maybe you should buy 3 bridge pickups, try each one for a week and pick your favorite 
I fear I will... Seriously I'm already thinking 'bout it! I think it's the price to pay, once addicted to BKP!?