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silentrage

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CS neck not pinchy enough?
« on: December 18, 2008, 05:52:48 AM »
Hey guys:
I'm finding that my CS neck in the kramer striker 7 string is not hot enough for pinch harmonics.
I have it set to the same height as the CWP bridge, about , and the warpig is ridiculously overpowered when it comes to harmonics. The CS on the other hand has a nice fat lead tone, but it's not producing those harmonics half as good as the warpig is.
I'm just wondering if I"m doing something wrong with it. What are your thoughts on it?

My guitar is an ash body maple neck with LFR.
My amp is a bugera 6262-212, FYI it's a clone of the 5150 and it's pretty damn high gain.

I'm getting a modded TS7 in a few days, I'm sure that'll help kick things up a notch,
but I suspect the CS will still be weaker than the CWP for harmonics, we shall see.

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Re: CS neck not pinchy enough?
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2008, 06:26:55 AM »
Ummm...you can't get pinches from the neck pickups. They pickup the vibrations IN FRONT of the harmonic lol.
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Re: CS neck not pinchy enough?
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2008, 06:32:30 AM »
anyway to get around that, or no way at all?
what do you mean by in front of, exactly?  :?

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Re: CS neck not pinchy enough?
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2008, 06:43:50 AM »
Sure you can get pinches from the neck pickup, I do it all the time. I don't think it makes sense to talk about where the pickup is picking up vibrations from - afterall, the string vibrates along its whole length. If anything, if the pickup were reading only the node of the harmonic (which is impossible) it would be reading no vibration, because that's what a node is... The bridge pickup is just better for harmonics because harmonics (which are high pitched) naturally stand out a bit more with the relatively bright tone at the bridge.
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Re: CS neck not pinchy enough?
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2008, 01:42:32 PM »
Ummm...you can't get pinches from the neck pickups. They pickup the vibrations IN FRONT of the harmonic lol.
I think silentrage is pointing out the general area around the neck pickup as it variates really.

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Re: CS neck not pinchy enough?
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2008, 06:21:33 PM »
i don't play pinches with my neck pickup all that much, but i don't remember a problem with my cold sweat neck getting them...

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Re: CS neck not pinchy enough?
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2008, 06:22:08 PM »
Ummm...you can't get pinches from the neck pickups. They pickup the vibrations IN FRONT of the harmonic lol.

the harmonic is only there if you're playing on the open string, surely? and also there's more than one node, anyway?

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Re: CS neck not pinchy enough?
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2008, 06:31:18 PM »
I've heard from several people that it's not really possible. You can get them, but they will be weak. The area the pinch harmonic is being hit at is usually behind the neck pickup. Meaning the area your finger is getting the harmonic to ring out at is behind it. If you can get them closer to the neck, they should ring out more, but from my experience, it just doesn't work. Hope that clears it up a little.
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Re: CS neck not pinchy enough?
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2008, 10:38:29 PM »
uhm... i usually pinch harmonics on neck pickups without much difficulties... of course if you pinch the string closer to the neck they'll be more powerful... i don't think it has got something to do with the distance from the poles, but it happens because there is where the string oscillates the most (in the picking area)... at least i think!  :)
anyway it's true that some pickups (not necessairly darker ones) give weaker pinch harmonics... maybe it has something to do with high mids more than highs...
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Re: CS neck not pinchy enough?
« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2008, 10:55:56 PM »
I hadn't really thought about it, but had a pinchin sesh on my dirty fingers in the neck. That is by no means a bright pickup

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Re: CS neck not pinchy enough?
« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2008, 11:14:37 PM »
I've heard from several people that it's not really possible. You can get them, but they will be weak. The area the pinch harmonic is being hit at is usually behind the neck pickup. Meaning the area your finger is getting the harmonic to ring out at is behind it. If you can get them closer to the neck, they should ring out more, but from my experience, it just doesn't work. Hope that clears it up a little.

how can i get pinches from my neck pickup then! :lol:

it's not the pickup that affects where the node is, it's the note you're fretting. I'm not saying pinches aren't more difficult with the neck pickup (they are), but they're certainly possible, and shouldn't be too "weak" and that guff about the nodes being affected by the neck pickup kinda doesn't make sense because the node will change depending on which fret you're playing at (i think- i could be wrong, but i've done a little bit about quantum mechanics, nodes etc. in my time, and the stuff I'm saying makes more sense than the stuff you are).

Not trying to cause a fight or anything, I just don't think you're right. If you can't get pinches (at all!) out of your neck pickup, you're doing something wrong, whether that's technique, setting up the wrong amp tone, have the guitar knobs set at strange settings (tone rolled way off, say), etc..

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uhm... i usually pinch harmonics on neck pickups without much difficulties... of course if you pinch the string closer to the neck they'll be more powerful... i don't think it has got something to do with the distance from the poles, but it happens because there is where the string oscillates the most (in the picking area)... at least i think!  :)
anyway it's true that some pickups (not necessairly darker ones) give weaker pinch harmonics... maybe it has something to do with high mids more than highs...

yeah, i think it's the voicing and gain of the pickup and amp (and the inherent voicing due to the pickup's location) which is making neck pickup pinches seem weak rather than anything to do with nodes.
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Re: CS neck not pinchy enough?
« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2008, 11:26:25 PM »
Well let me put it this way, i fret the same note, and pick on the same part of the string, using the same amp settings and everything, the bridge pickup gives me a loud squeal, but the neck pup just kinda meows. -_-
It was the exact same way with my stock pups too.
I've tried all kinds of diff techniques too, but it's just not working for me. :(


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Re: CS neck not pinchy enough?
« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2008, 03:02:21 AM »
It sounds like it just comes down to your Warpig being wound a lot hotter than your CS. I have a SMs calibrated set, and I can get pinches equally well from both because the bridge is only wound a little hotter than the neck (to compensate for position). They sound a tiiiny bit better from the bridge because it sounds brighter, but only a tiny bit better.

If you put a Warpig in the neck, or a CS in the bridge (and upped your amp gain to compensate), you'd have more even harmonic response.

Hope that makes sense :)
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Re: CS neck not pinchy enough?
« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2008, 03:03:29 AM »
it just sounds different with the neck pickup. if you can get an harmonic to sound the pickup will pick it up ( no pun intended ;)  ) but while it'll squeal with the bridge pickup, the neck will sound bassier, fatter, a howl rather than a squeal, just as ordinary notes do.  it's not a fault of any pickup, you simply can't expect to get bridge pickup sounds from the neck.  if you want it to squeal like that you should simply use your bridge pickup.
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Re: CS neck not pinchy enough?
« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2008, 04:12:33 PM »
I fiddled around a bit last night and I found that it's actually possible to get some nice squeals out of the neck if I picked them right around the 25th fret, guess I just need to adjust my technique then. :)

Was supposed to get the ts7 today but freakin snow storm had to get here early!!! argh.