NGD :)

[FernandoDuarte]

I think the contemptuous use of terms like "lawyer guitar" is bullsh!t anyway, there's a reverse-snobbery implication that you can only be a "proper" musician if you're:

(a) actually a professional musician; or
(b) amateur, skint and jobless ("I'm concentrating on my music!"  :roll: ).

You forgot JEALOUSY, Phill :lol:
That's why I say "lawyer guitar"

[JamesHealey]

I always thought they were dentists guitars more than lawyers, but who cares?

It's built like a tank plays wonderful, sounds amazing, sustains for an ice age and looks fine playing jazz, funk, blues, rock, punk, death metal and session work for britney spears. how many guitars can boast that kind of versitility in looks and sonic performance?

Hence why I own it over any other guitar I could have bought for that cash, and trust me I work in a guitar shop and guitar workshop I try a lot of freaking guitars out!

[Jonny]

I kind of dislike PRS now, I was crazy to get one, CE24, Custom 24, anything.

Now they're just got this annoying nagging thing on me. It's not like GAS, it's like.. the polar opposite if that even exists. I was looking through Guitar Buyer and ALL the guitar adverts had PRS sprawled across their sections. Plus they reviewed the Starla, on the front page and everything.

It's like YouTube. Watch videos, but you can't see any related videos anymore. Just promoted bollocks.

I just find it annoying now.. or just love-hate since I haven't touched/tried/picked up one yet.

[38thBeatle]

I have played 3 PRS guitars. They were all stunningly good-great to play and sounded pretty good. I'd been a bit unenthusiastic about them up to that point. If I had the spare cash I'd get one in a blink.

[Simon D]

I kind of dislike PRS now, I was crazy to get one, CE24, Custom 24, anything.

Now they're just got this annoying nagging thing on me. It's not like GAS, it's like.. the polar opposite if that even exists. I was looking through Guitar Buyer and ALL the guitar adverts had PRS sprawled across their sections. Plus they reviewed the Starla, on the front page and everything.

It's like YouTube. Watch videos, but you can't see any related videos anymore. Just promoted bollocks.

I just find it annoying now.. or just love-hate since I haven't touched/tried/picked up one yet.

If I'm reading you right, you feel like you're at saturation point from all the advertising and media attention the company is getting. That's understandable - there's been a hell of a lot of PRS coverage in the guitar press and online recently.

However, I'd venture that if you picked up your preferred model and played it for half an hour, you'd like it. A lot. I own 2 US PRS guitars, and I must have played in the region of 20, and I've never failed to be impressed by any of them. Some I've liked more than others, don't get me wrong, but by and large, they are impressive instruments.

As for the whole lawyer's guitar thing, I don't buy it. I'm not rich (far from it) but I saved like a b@stard to buy the guitars I own, because of the way they play and the way they sound.

[nfe]

Sorry Dave, my rambling wasn't meant as a direct reply to your post.

But I take your point.  :)


I think the contemptuous use of terms like "lawyer guitar" is bullsh!t anyway, there's a reverse-snobbery implication that you can only be a "proper" musician if you're:

(a) actually a professional musician; or
(b) amateur, skint and jobless ("I'm concentrating on my music!"  :roll: ).

Surely if the "lawyers guitar" label was bandied about purely because of those reasons then every £2000 guitar would get that accusation? Is it just because PRS are the biggest "boutique" (guffaw, they're as far from boutique as Fender, but you get my meaning) brand? Well, no, because they've always gotten the "lawyers guitar" thing and they've not always been the biggest on the block.

I always think it's simply because they're so bling'd out their brains and perhaps often it's aesthetics first, instrument second. For me personally though, I think they sit in that posers-not-players kinda catagory because I simply don't think they're worth remotely the money they cost and I'm always surprised when real players buy them over spending that kind of money on gear with which I think you get sooooooo much more for your money.

[Jonny]

I kind of dislike PRS now, I was crazy to get one, CE24, Custom 24, anything.

Now they're just got this annoying nagging thing on me. It's not like GAS, it's like.. the polar opposite if that even exists. I was looking through Guitar Buyer and ALL the guitar adverts had PRS sprawled across their sections. Plus they reviewed the Starla, on the front page and everything.

It's like YouTube. Watch videos, but you can't see any related videos anymore. Just promoted bollocks.

I just find it annoying now.. or just love-hate since I haven't touched/tried/picked up one yet.

If I'm reading you right, you feel like you're at saturation point from all the advertising and media attention the company is getting. That's understandable - there's been a hell of a lot of PRS coverage in the guitar press and online recently.

However, I'd venture that if you picked up your preferred model and played it for half an hour, you'd like it. A lot. I own 2 US PRS guitars, and I must have played in the region of 20, and I've never failed to be impressed by any of them. Some I've liked more than others, don't get me wrong, but by and large, they are impressive instruments.

As for the whole lawyer's guitar thing, I don't buy it. I'm not rich (far from it) but I saved like a b@stard to buy the guitars I own, because of the way they play and the way they sound.

You interpreted correctly :)

And yeah, I do want to eventually play one, but I don't really want to at the same time. Cause I'd GAS my ass off just to get one (which would be worth it but I'd be out of a student loan, lol..)

The only ones that interest me are the Custom 24 and CE24 and the 513 but that's just insane thinking.

[Philly Q]

I'm always surprised when real players buy them over spending that kind of money on gear with which I think you get sooooooo much more for your money.

I ask this out of curiosity, not to be argumentative:

Which particular brands do you think give much better value for money? 

I know there are those magical, one-off secondhand bargains which can be found after months of patient scouting around.... but I mean in a just-grab-an-average-one-off-the-shelf kind of way.

[Twinfan]

^  What he said.

How is a new £950 PRS Mira not value for money?

[nfe]

I'm always surprised when real players buy them over spending that kind of money on gear with which I think you get sooooooo much more for your money.

I ask this out of curiosity, not to be argumentative:

Which particular brands do you think give much better value for money? 

I know there are those magical, one-off secondhand bargains which can be found after months of patient scouting around.... but I mean in a just-grab-an-average-one-off-the-shelf kind of way.

Now, it's worth mentioning that I still don't think these scream value for money - and ignoring custom builders - but in terms f guitars that I think make substantially better instruments for similar (and higher) prices;

Parker, Tom Anderson, Suhr, Tyler, Hamer, Dean, CS Fender, Gretsch...Hell, even the solidbody Taylor Custom (it is called a Custom, right? The £2k one?)

[Twinfan]

Personally, I don't see how PRS is a "substantially" lesser instrument than any of those.  I'm sure you've made this point before though.

Sounds like you're just anti-PRS for some reason?

[dave_mc]

Sorry Dave, my rambling wasn't meant as a direct reply to your post.

But I take your point.  :)


I think the contemptuous use of terms like "lawyer guitar" is bullsh!t anyway, there's a reverse-snobbery implication that you can only be a "proper" musician if you're:

(a) actually a professional musician; or
(b) amateur, skint and jobless ("I'm concentrating on my music!"  :roll: ).

yeah, pretty much.

i knew you weren't having a go at me, i just didn't want to take credit i didn't deserve for thinking up a complicated argument... :lol: :drink:

[nfe]

Personally, I don't see how PRS is a "substantially" lesser instrument than any of those.  I'm sure you've made this point before though.

Sounds like you're just anti-PRS for some reason?

It's not that I'm anti-PRS as such, though I do think they're distinctly mediocre. It's just that I've played literally hundeds of them and not one would I have bought for half it's price. Other than to sell on  :lol:

They just feel like ornaments to me, no vibe or life about them. They're not particularly great players, no great feel, not particularly exciting sounding. I don't think there's a great number of sounds in them and that's coming from someone who used to happily get every sound they wanted with one guitar to cover depping in dozens of wedding bands with quite varying sets as well as his metal band...

Everyone knows what I mean with guitars just not speaking to you at all. And it's simply that every single PRS I've ever played is like that.

There are other brands I feel the same about, LTD particularly, but they're in a totally different ballpark, monetarily.

[Jonny]

Parker, Tom Anderson, Suhr, Tyler, Hamer, Dean, CS Fender, Gretsch...Hell, even the solidbody Taylor Custom (it is called a Custom, right? The £2k one?)

They all sound higher and not lower. Than a £950 Mira anyways. But what do I know.

[Philly Q]

Parker, Tom Anderson, Suhr, Tyler, Hamer, Dean, CS Fender, Gretsch...Hell, even the solidbody Taylor Custom (it is called a Custom, right? The £2k one?)

OK, fair enough, you're still talking high-end, high-price equipment, and not necessarily like-for-like alternatives to PRS. Anderson, Suhr and Tyler are amazing, but they're obviously in the Fender bolt-on style rather than Gibson set-neck.  Parker - amazing innovation but they do nothing for me, personally.  And of course Gretsch are something else altogether.

I've never tried a US Dean so I've no idea what they're like.  I had a quick look at the Taylors, great but I'm not crazy about the specs or styling.  And the PRS vs. Hamer debate is another thread, close call but I think it's very much a matter of personal taste - as are all these comparisons.   :)

Everyone knows what I mean with guitars just not speaking to you at all. And it's simply that every single PRS I've ever played is like that.

Again, fair enough.  But I'd say the same about most of the Hamers I've owned. 

I think it's personal preference, not that PRS make worse guitars than the others you've named.