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Twinfan's top 10 guitar tone 'wisdoms'
« on: January 06, 2009, 11:17:04 AM »
While I was driving into work this morning, I was thinking about all the things I've learned about guitar tone over the 25 or so (!) years I've been playing.  The money I've spent, the gear I've used, the people I've spoken to, the magazines I've read etc, and I wondered what my top 10 'wisdoms' would be.  I made a mental note of a few, and over a coffee break this morning I've come up with the rest.  I thought I'd share them and see what you guys think.  Obviously these are all just my own opinion, and your opinions may well vary!  :)


1 )  Great tone is all about the combination of guitar + effects + amp + speakers.  Some elements just 'work' with others, and some just don't.  Very few things work universally well with all other bits of gear.  In the words of Paul Reed Smith - "everything affects everything else".

2 )  Your amplifier is as important, if not more important, than the guitar you use.  Play through as many different models as you can before choosing which one to buy.

3 )  Anything expensive is nearly always worth the cost, unless it's specifically designed for collectors.  In which case it isn't.  This now applies to vintage gear, which should be left to the aforementioned collectors.

4 )  Some bits of gear, especially guitars, just won't suit you no matter what you do to them.  If it's not over 90% 'right' as standard, sell it and buy something else.  You can't polish a turd.

5 )  As tyres for your car are the link between you and the road, speakers are your tone's link to your ears.  Like amplifiers, try as many different types as you can and buy the best you can afford.

6 )  Old valves are not worth buying any more as they're either worn out, rejects or ridiculously expensive.  Use new JJs, especially the Gold Pin versions, as a default option.

7 )  ClearTone cables ( www.award-session.com/cleartone_cables.html ) are tonally transparent, high quality and incredibly well priced.  Do not get sucked in by marketing.

8 )  Speaker cabinets should be made of birch plywood as this gives strength to the box and prevents the speaker sounding 'loose'.  Cheap cabinets, made of chipboard, sound cheap and thin - regardless of which speakers are used.

9 )  Superb valve amp tone at low volume is very hard to achieve.  Master Volumes only work if the amp's preamp tone alone sounds good.  Power Scaling has a cut off where the valves just aren't cooking enough.  Attenuators can colour your tone too much and they cook valves quicker.  You have to find which option works best for you, as there is no universally 'right' answer.

10 )  At the end of the day, you will always sound like you.  Use this to your advantage and chose the gear that suits you, and not what suits someone else.  Use your ears!
« Last Edit: January 06, 2009, 11:21:07 AM by Twinfan »

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Re: Twinfan's top 10 guitar tone 'wisdoms'
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2009, 11:51:23 AM »
I largely agree.

I'd modify the amp is as important as the guitar to amp is WAY more important than the guitar and maybe lament my lack of experimentation with speakers.

A nugget of wisdom or two to attach to the pile

- Get a guitar that feels right to you, sounds good acoustically and is well built. You cant change these things later, and you can get all of them surprisingly cheaply if you look around. With a choice of pickups, nut, bridge, frets and the like you can make a really cheap guitar very very good indeed.

- Play the guitars you intend to buy. The. Exact. One. They vary from A LOT within a particular model and out of the same factory. Ordering blind is hazardous to say the least. You can get lucky, but youre more likely not to. Playing one, liking it and ordering another off the net is a bad idea

- Take your time making purchases. If the thing you really want costs twice as much, wait till you can afford it. Getting cheaper stuff and following an endless upgrade chain is false economy - you usually end up with what you wanted in the first place AND an obsolete and probably sonically offensive bit of junk lying around that you wish you never spent the cash on.

- Wherever you can deal with the people you want to. Go custom, go handmade, go to small shops, establish good relationships, have conversations with helpfull people with expertise that care about you getting what you want. Tim and bare knuckle are in the elite at this (as are Bob at legra, by all acounts Jon at feline, James Peters at peters amps, the dudes at award session, the list goes on - lots of guys like this hang around here, so apologies that I havent mentioned all of you)

- Dont be afraid to try stuff out. You just never know what bit of kit is going to fit like a glove with your style and the rest of your gear, take no notice of name, paint job, advertising blurb. EXPERIMENT.

- If it sounds good, it IS good.
« Last Edit: January 06, 2009, 12:01:55 PM by MDV »

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Re: Twinfan's top 10 guitar tone 'wisdoms'
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2009, 11:52:15 AM »
Weirdly..agree with most of that..not tried award session yet
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Re: Twinfan's top 10 guitar tone 'wisdoms'
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2009, 12:10:08 PM »
Plenty of wisdom there but I have some small points of critisism, if I may.

regarding number 1: The player affects the tone as much as anything else.

Number 3 is mostly true but that's not a golden rule.  Some things are way overpriced. I was fortunate enough to try some vintage gear (amps and guitars). The gear was way beyond my budget but I would have bought that stuff I was rich enough.

Can't comment on 7 but I'm still happy with my Spectraflex.

I can agree with the rest. However there will always be people looking for that last 10% of tone and they are willing and able to spend serious money on it. In their eyes (or ears) it's well spent.
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Re: Twinfan's top 10 guitar tone 'wisdoms'
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2009, 12:11:31 PM »
speaking of tone wisdoms, could someone explain what people mean by "tone is in the fingers"

I used to think it was something to do with the left hand but now I think it's just how you pick the string, where you pick it and the angle of the pick

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« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2009, 12:16:51 PM »
Plenty of wisdom there but I have some small points of critisism, if I may.

regarding number 1: The player affects the tone as much as anything else.

Number 3 is mostly true but that's not a golden rule.  Some things are way overpriced. I was fortunate enough to try some vintage gear (amps and guitars). The gear was way beyond my budget but I would have bought that stuff I was rich enough.

Can't comment on 7 but I'm still happy with my Spectraflex.

I can agree with the rest. However there will always be people looking for that last 10% of tone and they are willing and able to spend serious money on it. In their eyes (or ears) it's well spent.


I keep hearing this, and people seem to overestimate it all the time.

Musically speaking and in playing dynamics every guitarist is different, but try getting chet atkins to play with an EMG equiped les paul through an engl powerballs channel 4 or dallas toler wade to play an ES335 through a fender twin and see how much of their own personal in-the-fingers tone they take with them!!!!

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Re: Twinfan's top 10 guitar tone 'wisdoms'
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2009, 12:28:49 PM »
I'm not just talking about personality of each player's tone. Twinfan mentions it in number 10.

Remember how you sounded when you first picked up a guitar? How would you sound now through that same gear?

If you play badly, all the gear in the world can't help you.
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Re: Twinfan's top 10 guitar tone 'wisdoms'
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2009, 12:29:14 PM »
Thats not tone, thats playing.

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Re: Twinfan's top 10 guitar tone 'wisdoms'
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2009, 01:41:09 PM »
speaking of tone wisdoms, could someone explain what people mean by "tone is in the fingers"

I used to think it was something to do with the left hand but now I think it's just how you pick the string, where you pick it and the angle of the pick

It's in both, in my opinion.  How clearly (or not) you fret notes makes a difference, as does how sloppy or tight your right hand technique is.  This is what I'm referring to in point 10.

In point 1, I was excluding the players influence (as this is covered in point 10).  I was specifically referring to the interaction of gear, but you're right in that the player also contributes to this.

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Re: Twinfan's top 10 guitar tone 'wisdoms'
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2009, 02:39:17 PM »
Very well-thought list, and clearly stated.

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Re: Twinfan's top 10 guitar tone 'wisdoms'
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2009, 02:42:08 PM »
Some good, solid, common sense ideas there, which I agree with. Thanks for taking the trouble to put it down in writing for us all! :)

And I particularly want to highlight the point about ClearTone cables - they really are superb quality and amazing value for money. Of course, this point does directly contradict Paul Reed Smith's (otherwise accurate) statement, and point 3 (because they're CHEAP!), but hey I guess that's why they deserve a point on their own :D

Also MDV's point about talking to people is exceptionally good advice. I made this very mistake when I decided to go for a Randall RG200G3 (200W solid state 2 x12 combo amp). It just wasn't up to scratch, and had I taken the time I should have done to play through many amps and talk to people about them, I would have ended up at my 5150-II a lot sooner! That said, I was lucky not to be financially burned over that one.

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Re: Twinfan's top 10 guitar tone 'wisdoms'
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2009, 02:53:36 PM »
We used to have jam sessions in the local pub.

It was a great way to try other people's gear in a band situation or to hear someone else play through my gear, taking me out of the tone equasion.
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Re: Twinfan's top 10 guitar tone 'wisdoms'
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2009, 03:00:55 PM »
Sound advice
and if I can add one specifically aimed at me from my girlfriend

"Get off the bloody internet and play your guitar"

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Re: Twinfan's top 10 guitar tone 'wisdoms'
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2009, 03:19:49 PM »
A good point, If I spent my hours of internet browsing for the perfect tone on actually playing, I'd be sh!t hot now.

As it stands I'm just luke warm :?

The rule that is more important that any is just play.  I'm off!

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Re: Twinfan's top 10 guitar tone 'wisdoms'
« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2009, 03:24:27 PM »
A good point, If I spent my hours of internet browsing for the perfect tone on actually playing, I'd be sh!t hot now.

As it stands I'm just luke warm :?

The rule that is more important that any is just play.  I'm off!

You'll be back ;)