Trying to get "that" sound on Led Zeppelin's "

[Bob Johnson]

I was totally on the wrong track there. :oops: When some one mentioned telephone cable my mind went back to the old cotton wrapped inter-woven cables that were around "when I were a lad" (assume generic northern accent). They weren't co-ax
As for the other kind of curly cable, sprung co-ax, I've only ever found it to be of use picking up Taxi and police radio signals, you can actually tune it in by moving closer to or further away from your amp. As for it being the secret ingredient in Bryan Mays' sound I think it's time for all the closet Queen fans to tell us all about the myriad contraptions Bryan uses, the curly cable is not in evidence on the DVD I have of them..

[rinse_master]

As for the other kind of curly cable, sprung co-ax, I've only ever found it to be of use picking up Taxi and police radio signals, you can actually tune it in by moving closer to or further away from your amp.

That happens on the Jimi Hendrix @ Isle of Wight DVD, in the middle of Machine Gun, I thought it was a sample or something at first, but it is the security radio-ing for backup!!

[aisuru]

there's quite a lot of delay on there. possibly some kind of phasing going on too, perhaps caused by the wet signal from the delay delay?

the vocals after about 5:30 have a reverse-reverb effect applied too. it could be that that's on the quitar in some way, but with a short feedback and out of phase with the dry signal.

it's one theory anyway. it could just be played through some kind of eq or an analogue filter, i dunno   :P

[The amazing Phil]

How does delay in that sense work? How would you set it up and what not?

[PhilKing]

A couple of things sprint to mind here, one is that Jimmy Page's telecaster was a very old 50's one with the original switch settings:

Neck with treble roll off
neck with tone control
Bridge with tone control

Also, Jimmy Page had said that it was the best sounding Tele he ever had (and it got stolen).  

I think the change in tone is just changing the pickup.  The original solo tone I think is the neck with the rolloff.  Then I think he changes to the tone control on the bridge pickup.  I also think he might have a cranked wah or rangemaster in there too.

[The amazing Phil]

As in dallas rangemaster? Any idea where those can be had? I've heard  a lot of cool things aboot them.

[willo]

As in dallas rangemaster? Any idea where those can be had? I've heard  a lot of cool things aboot them.

they cost loads to buy second hand, but lots of people build reissues of them, e.g.:

http://www.buildyourownclone.com/ranger.html

http://www.retroman-music.com/prod01.htm

The Beano is supposed to be very good; in fact, I'm sure Tim used on in one of his BK demos?

[The amazing Phil]

I'm starting to think it's either tha judging by the sound clips, or a tonebender. It's a shame that ranger kit is discontinued and that there's no link for it's replacement.

[willo]

I'm starting to think it's either tha judging by the sound clips, or a tonebender. It's a shame that ranger kit is discontinued and that there's no link for it's replacement.

there is; you just have to dig around a bit!

http://www.buildyourownclone.com/tri.html

all the links are accessible from the homepage:

http://www.buildyourownclone.com/

Keith isnt making pre-built kits at the moment though, so you'll need to be a little handy with a soldering iron!

There are other alternatives too, for instance:

http://www.aramateffects.com/trebleMaster/

Its supposed to be quite a simple circuit, so most manufacturers seem to be making something based, if not improving, upon the rangemaster!

[aisuru]

How does delay in that sense work? How would you set it up and what not?

you mean how does reverse delay work? baiscally, it's a tape delay, but the tape reverses once it reaches a set point instead of looping round. for out of phase, i suppose you'd just swap the + and - terminals round on the mixer's inputs, and provided it's at the same amplitude, the wet signal would cancel out certain parts of the dry signal.

hmmm... *goes to experiment*

[Johnny Mac]

Ah squiggly wires! I thought you meant some monstrously hard to fret uber diminished minor 11th chord or something. :lol:

I've got two 1980's curl cords in good condition! I still use them!

[PhilKing]

How does delay in that sense work? How would you set it up and what not?

you mean how does reverse delay work? baiscally, it's a tape delay, but the tape reverses once it reaches a set point instead of looping round. for out of phase, i suppose you'd just swap the + and - terminals round on the mixer's inputs, and provided it's at the same amplitude, the wet signal would cancel out certain parts of the dry signal.

hmmm... *goes to experiment*

Danelectro used to have a pedal called 'Back Talk' that does a reverse delay - but of course they stopped making it a couple of years ago.

[R/2e]

It's to do with the electrical pulses getting dizzy from going round in circles down the wire which increases the magnetic field effect and causes magnetic inductance distortion. The only other way you can get this sort of distortion is by playing inside the core of a nuclear reactor but that's not good for your health.

And if you believe that, I have Jimmy Page's original Tele which I'll sell you for £1000 (unfortunately someone has put a 'Squier' decal on the headstock and cleaned it up, but I'm sure you won't mind)

[Ratrod]

I have a bowl with ashes that once was Jimi's strat. Any takers? I also have Slash's first BC Rich Mockingbird for sale: $250,000.-. Anyone?

[Kilby]

The Boss DD-6 does a good reverse delay (with wet signal can be output on the other sterio channel) the pedal I have BTW.

Some EH memory man echo also do a very good reverse delay, and I think the Line 6 delay pedals do a reverse delay.

The Boss slowgear can do reverse / bowing effect.

Personally I love the reverse reverb that Floyd used on vocals and cymbals.