Dimarzio Tone Zone Equivalent

[sharpant]

Hey chaps, i just had my Miracle Man installed and am really upset with it, I've rudely requested for a refund but if i have the choice to swap what would you recommend?

I'm wondering what BKP pickup is closest in tone comparison to the Dimarzio Tone Zone

Here is a clip

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=aCuHAfOPlBI

To be honest, i could pretty much get this tone bang on with my Dimarzio Paf Pro's and was really content with them (I can't emphasize how happy i was, but i thought that BKP would give me an even superior tone)

Would i be better sticking with Dimarzio and selling my BKP's ,shameful:(

My guitar is a PGM301 btw



The Tone I'm looking for is from his Get out of my Yard Album

[Philly Q]

I'm not that familiar with Gilbert's tones, but I am totally sure there's no BKP pickup that sounds as horrible as the Tone Zone!!  :x

Just wondering, have you actually tried a Tone Zone?   You mentioned on another thread that you like the sound of your PAF Pros, but the TZ is a completely different beast - much hotter and with LOADS more bass and midrange.  Far too much bass and midrange.  It's a boomy, muddy mess.

If you can't find a BKP that suits, you'd be much better off keeping your PAF Pro than getting a TZ (IMO, of course).

[Jonny]

Like I said before:

Paul's tone usually comes from quite low output humbuckers with plenty of upper mid hence his great articulation and dynamic tone.He then uses quite a mid heavy tone from his amp to add even more weight to his single note work.Something like the VHII or even a Riff Raff is going to do this really well.

[sharpant]

Like I said before:

Paul's tone usually comes from quite low output humbuckers with plenty of upper mid hence his great articulation and dynamic tone.He then uses quite a mid heavy tone from his amp to add even more weight to his single note work.Something like the VHII or even a Riff Raff is going to do this really well.

This is with regards to his new setup

Marshall Vintage Modern

Dimarzio Area 67 pickups

I'm talking with regards to his old

Laney GH100L

Dimarzio Tone Zone/ Paf pro

Philly i cannot state how helpful your reply was, thank you ever so much

[Jonny]

Well I'm assuming he was using the Tone Zone at the time that I asked Tim, I got the reply with the VHII.

EDIT: And either way, Tone Zone, VHII, Area 67 - you're still going for Paul Gilbert's sound. And the VHII will do that. I think it's a bit silly going for a Miracle Man for 1. Gilbert stuff, 2. Matching with a Mule. It's like having cranberry juice for the milk substitute for your cereal. You chose a Vintage pickup and a Contemporary pickup, the MM would eat it.

[sharpant]

naa

'Paul's Tone usually comes from Low output humbuckers'

The Tone Zone is pretty hot.

I agree with your comments on my pickup choices, maybe when i go BKP again in the future I'll be more wise.

[Jonny]

But he used PAF PROs in GET OUT OF MY YARD. And Tim is right on PG's tone, his tone doesn't come from high output and a screaming pickup. It's low output, with clarity. Like the VHIIs.

[gingataff]

If you're talking about GOOMY the album rather than the track, then its 90% done with  'vintage' (ack!) Ibanez guitars with their original low output pickups, or in some cases replaced with DiMarzio PAF types. I'm fairly sure his double neck uses PAF Pros though (look for the allen heads instead of the slugs and screws of the Tone Zone).

[ericsabbath]

 :D
I think you bought the wrong pup for that

the closest model to the tone zone is the miracle man neck version (which is totally different from the bridge model, but as powerful as a tone zone)
the holy diver can get remotely close, but it has way more high end detailing

[sharpant]

Tim has been kind enough to offer pickup swaps, even though I've had the pickups for 2 months (only had them installed 1 day)

That's great customer service for you

I'm happy with the mothers milk so that doesn't need changing

The Mule is a fantastic pickup but I'm looking for something that is predominantly for shred. Clarity in notes when you switch to the neck pickup to alternate pick at speed, I've heard the cold sweat is good for this?

With regards to the Bridge I haven't a clue, will the Nailbomb still be too much for me? I've got a really important day today so i haven't much time to post so I'll add further details later.

Thanks

Anthony

[gingataff]

Nailbombs will be more organic/touch sensitive and warmer than the Miracle Man but still a lot more powerful and aggressive than the PAF Pro. There's a shootout between a PAF Pro and a VHII in a JEM somewhere in the players section which is worth a listen if you haven't already. http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=7453.msg93385#msg93385
Other than that another chat with Tim should help get you on course.

[Nolly]

I think phoning Tim is the best thing to do here.
To my mind, the VHIIs would be the pickups I'd go to for that sound, but I've not tried many of the vintage hot range. Perhaps Crawlers could be a good call if you want something in between contemporary and vintage hot.

[dave_mc]

cold sweat *should* do the shred thing in the neck- when i asked tim for "decent cleans/good overdrive and shred tones" for the neck, he suggested cold sweat.

but some other pickups (which i haven't tried) would doubtless do it too, and some more have been released since i got mine (painkillers, for example) which may also do it, or may even do it better.

no idea about the bridge, i've only tried the MM.

i think contacting tim would be a good idea, yeah. :)

[FernandoDuarte]

I think you won't like too a Tone Zone equivalent, nor Tone Zone original... If you like the Paf Pros you have and it suits what you want to play, ask to Tim which one is the pickup alike it and you'll have what you wish and see it eats Paf pro in the breakfast with cereals, bananas and milk :lol:

As said on the other thread by me and others guys (and even you) the tone you really want can not be in the kind of pickup you think it would :D

Tell him what you like on the PafPro and what you want different and you'll see light

[badgermark]

Or just get a tone zone? I really liked mine in a les paul then a sg, if it's what you want ten go for it. BKs are good, but sometimes another manufacturer has exactly what you need.