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'Manhattan' pickup set review.
« on: February 06, 2009, 06:54:36 PM »
 Hi everybody,

Firstly, WOW ! - a real revelation for any Jazz  / clean / chordal players. 

The Manhattans are for me the definitive Jazz pickup - in that they can produce a variety of different warm / clean voicings to suit player / guitar with just a subtle change of pickup height. .

I had better include the fine detail - in case anyone outside the forum is going to find this via 'Google' - and want to know more about the Manhattan set in the context of gear they own - or at least associate with.

The guitar is basically a 'Vintage' ES-175 copy, Maple laminates for the body - maple neck with 20 fret rosewood board.  I did try a rosewood top on the existing rosewood floating bridge base, but for this guitar - prefered the metal 'tune-o-matic' style top - as the guitar is lovely and open / resonant - but not overly bright ( I assume from research - just like it's 'real' equivalent ). That was of course 'pre- Manahattan' - and these pickups are potentially so clear, revealing, articulate but still warm - that all the tone experiments would make much more sense now.

The rig was : ES-175 style guitar ( strung with a very low action using Thomastik 13-53 flat wounds but with the top 2 strings swapped from 13, 17, to 14 and 18 )  - a short 'Cleartone' cable - then straight into my AAD Cub 100 amp.  The pickups already sounded very nice on a flat E.Q - but I adjusted the three E.Q knobs to my favourite settings of low pass reduced ( 9'o clock ) Mid = Neutral ( 12 o'clock ) - and high pass enhanced ( 3'o clock ) - and volume at half way.  I sat 2 metres away - facing the front of the amp.

With both pickups set at a the 'usual' starting point of 2mm between the  top of pickups and 'E' strings fretted at the last fret - I noted a lovely warm, articulate - almost 'standard' electric Jazz tone. Think George Benson, Joe Pass e.t.c.  Remember that the amp used is a dedicated Jazz / Acoustic guitar amp - but I would say less compressed than a Polytone or JazzKat. A bit like a cross between an AER acoustic amp and a JazzKat / Polytone.  It can be hard to describe this amp definitively - as like Bare Knuckle Pickups - the controls / settings are simple - but  sensitive / effective.

Bear in mind I set the action at 1/32" at the 12th fret - and I am picking gentle /  relaxed, so the B.K.P Mahattans were not going to get any help from me 'forceing' any projection, resonance or clarity from them.

The real revelation was with the pickup / string gap increased by a mere 0.5 mm to 2.5 mm . That is when I could not only hear each pick material even clearer and  the hitherto undiscovered 'acoustic ' qualities of each flatwound string , BUT ALSO I could even hear ( doing legato pull offs on the top 'e' and 'b' strings at the 8th fret ) if I hit the strings with the finger which had the hardest skin / pad on ! 

  All this without any lack of warmth or substance.  I found that If you wanted to deliberately re-capture the sound of the 2mm gap without adjustment , you just used a nice heavy but slightly soft celluloid pick ( a Heavy B.K.P plectrum here ).  The clarity has never been this pronounced before, even with the very lovely Stormy Monday pickups.

If your guitar has good acoustic / tonal qualities - these pickups will certainly bring it out so the listeners  get every amplified drop of goodness, articulation and clarity  - but left sweet and deeply resonant.  Especially notable for me was when I heard what good Tapewound strings where supposed to sound like - ( i.e. slinky , characterful and smooth - not blurred and homogonised ).

I can see why even Tim found it hard to describe what they would be like in terms of comparison to other pickups. Perhaps his closest 'hit' was in saying that  they may perhaps be likened a bit to to a quieter Mississipi Queen without the 'edge' - but even then Tim did not mention the incredible detail they can reproduce.  I thought Stormy Mondays were clear, but these are in a different league still.

Do remember that you are not getting an enforced 'acousticy' sound from these - just the option to re-capture that - or the best of a Stormy Monday's clarity - but with a huge, crystal clear bass responce - which somehow never overpowers those sweet mids and top end.   In cinematic terms - these would be '3D' .

How on earth Tim researched / designed these pickups when his virtuosity is thought to embrace other styles is a wonder indeed. You could not have sat down and chatted with all the great Jazz players themselves and come up with a better product.

I am only surprised that they are still not more widely publicised - as I note that the Bendetto 'special'  on Jimmy Bruno's signature guitar look conspicuously like a black 'Warpig ' - and yet the Manhattan covers this and more bases.  Time to 'go public'  on these pickups I think, too good to be discovered accidentally.

As was mentioned by someone else on this forum, their potential reaches far beyond Jazz alone, but with them having a unique set of tonal attributes  ( that is like trying to describe a colour no-one has ever seen before )- it may be hard to sell them as ' just like 'X' pickup'.

Nice one Tim ...  8)

 
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Re: 'Manhattan' pickup set review.
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2009, 07:18:40 PM »
That was an interesting read. Thanks for posting it.
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Re: 'Manhattan' pickup set review.
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2009, 08:03:25 PM »
 In cinematic terms - these would be '3D' .
 

i think that sums it up perfectly.   

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Re: 'Manhattan' pickup set review.
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2009, 08:56:26 PM »
Enjoyed your review very much Sir!! Excellent !!
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Re: 'Manhattan' pickup set review.
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2009, 09:21:37 PM »
Remember, I did spend over 6 years on the road playing guitar for Elkie Brooks, a very respected blues and rock singer who also had a penchant for jazz as did the rest of the guys who played in the band- so I'm not a complete rock dinosaur :wink:
Anyway I'm glad you like them and thank you for such a thorough review. The Manhattans will be officially joining the range this year along with the 'pig 90 - all customer requested designs which we've made so many times now it only seems right that they earn their place as bona fide BKP models.
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Re: 'Manhattan' pickup set review.
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2009, 10:19:28 PM »
Remember, I did spend over 6 years on the road playing guitar for Elkie Brooks, a very respected blues and rock singer who also had a penchant for jazz as did the rest of the guys who played in the band- so I'm not a complete rock dinosaur :wink:
Anyway I'm glad you like them and thank you for such a thorough review. The Manhattans will be officially joining the range this year along with the 'pig 90 - all customer requested designs which we've made so many times now it only seems right that they earn their place as bona fide BKP models.

Appologies for underestimating the breadth of your working brief Tim ;  now I think about it, you must have been the guitarist I saw her with at York Barbican back in the 90's when she was touring to promote her Jazz/ Blues album- "Travelin' Light'.  If it was you ( as the now famous hair would have suggested ) - all your guitars where white - and you had a HUGE rack ...  :wink:

Meanwhile, thanks for the extra info - and another great / unique pickup ! I see that those nice chaps at Foulds of Derby give it a good description - and they seem to specialise in Jazz.  I certainly can see people getting a Peerless 'Jazz City' or any number of relatively higher spec guitars - and losing the existing pickup(s)  for these.  The Jazz world seems to be currently populated with pickups that bear the 'approval' of U.S. luthiers, but have little or no specification that would suggest anything other than generic build quality - and a 'back hander' to the luthiers in question.  It would be nice to see the Bendetto specials replaced by 'real' Warpigs - and of course in my book, ALL of them replaced by Manhattans.  8)


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Re: 'Manhattan' pickup set review.
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2009, 10:41:14 PM »
Oh - and thank you everybody for your kind words.  :)

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Re: 'Manhattan' pickup set review.
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2009, 09:11:06 AM »
i will be taking my manhattan equipped guitar to the meet at manchester... got to spread the word!!

now what we really need is a version that can be attached to the end of a fretboard or tab mounted to a pickguard.  at the moment i am considering finding an old  johnny smith Mini-HB to fit to my 50's framus(??) but a BKP i could mount on the end of the neck without doing the mod myself would make my day

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« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2009, 11:11:35 AM »
That was a good and interesting read.

Currently I'm really digging the AIII pickups in my Classic Vibe Tele. The magnets seem to provide a cool (as in temperature) bass and lower mids and they are very transparant.

How's the Manhattan with a little dirt? The Tele sounds great with it.

The only thing I'm not happy with is that the Tele's neck pickup is too weak and wooly. I'm thinking of replacing that.

The Manhattan is on my list of possible replacements.

Others are a Dynasonic/P90 hybrid with AIII pickups and another possibillty would be a custom built Filtertron with an AIII.
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Re: 'Manhattan' pickup set review.
« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2009, 11:47:26 AM »
Like others say - that was a very interesting read :D

I'm not really inclined towards jazz that much, but my blues sounds seem to be getting cleaner and cleaner...

Haven't got a guitar to put them in though... (or have I?! very resonant Epi LP with a basswood body that didn't seem to like Mules... gulp...)
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Re: 'Manhattan' pickup set review.
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2009, 12:23:51 PM »
i like the manhattan dirty

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Re: 'Manhattan' pickup set review.
« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2009, 03:30:36 PM »
i will be taking my manhattan equipped guitar to the meet at manchester... got to spread the word!!

now what we really need is a version that can be attached to the end of a fretboard or tab mounted to a pickguard.  at the moment i am considering finding an old  johnny smith Mini-HB to fit to my 50's framus(??) but a BKP i could mount on the end of the neck without doing the mod myself would make my day

Well noted Wez,

No way is a cheapo ( usually re-wound epiphone ) - or generic far eastern plastic block floating neck / pickguard pickup going to be as good ' vintage rewound' - as the solid build quality, nickel cover , real gold plate of a dedicated B.K.P job.  It would also enable Tim to design and commission special magnet shapes ( in AIII I presume ) - and bobbin formers.   

I do hope Tim would at least consider this - as when I have sold my existing solid bodied guitars and stage gear - I would love an additional  'floating pickup' style guitar in the times ahead.

Meanwhile, please let me know how the Manhattan neck pickup you have installed in your solid bodied guitar is percieved / described by the forumites at the meet - especially as you will all be comparing 'like for like ' in solid bodied guitars e.t.c.

Cheers !

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