unsophisticated, rip your head off, growly metal pup

[Davey]

think along the lines of bruce's solo album guitar tone. that low end growl.

same tone Machine Men (the band, not the song off chemical wedding) have.
there's something kickass to that low end crunch that makes your head bang by itself.

i know some of it comes from the guitars being tuned in drop d, but was wondering which bare knuckle would give that growl.
miracle man or ceramic warpig or normal war pig.

looking to BKP my charvel till the end of the year or thereabouts (a bit after new years maybe, when i get back to my feet cash vise)

[carlaz]

Ah, I love the guitars on Bruce's solo stuff! :)

Admittedly, I don't know the band Machine Men, but your description ("low end crunch that makes your head bang by itself") sure sounds like a straight-up Warpig!  :twisted:

[PhilKing]

The Warpig has a lot of low end crunch.  The new Cold Sweats have been recommended by Tim for a big metal sound too.  I haven't heard them yet, so I can't say how they compare.  The Miracle Man has a tighter bass and is brighter than the Warpig.

I have no idea how a ceramic Warpig would sound.  Tim will have to come in on this to let you know.  I think it would harden the sound a bit, and perhaps it would be too much in the bottom end.

[Davey]

http://www.centurymedia.de/century/index.aspx?page=4&id=145

there's a bit from the new album

basicaly it's bruce dickinson solo guitar work, similar songwriting (with a nice bruce like vocals) and maiden twin harmonies.

granted i just heard their one song Back from the Days, which was featured on the Kiss my Axe cd from Metal Hammer, but it kicks my ass every time i hear it.



anyway. anybody else chime in on this?


if you guys would like, i could send you a sample of the song so you know what i'm talking about



allthough.. i might be hearing the bass on the track ROFL

[TwilightOdyssey]

I think it would harden the sound a bit, and perhaps it would be too much in the bottom end.

I agree; that level of DC resistance + a ceramic magnet will probably not sound so good.

[MDV]

Tim winds ceramic pigs with a lower DC res doesnt he?

Tim, do you?

But, yeah, "there's something kickass to that low end crunch that makes your head bang by itself" that sounds like my pig to me!

PLENTY of low end growl, and its tight enough for all but ultra-clinical EMG81 type sounds.

[Ratrod]

The double allen bolts of the Warpig will surely get you that growl.

I'm wondering how a ceramic Warpig sounds too. I'm thinking about a Dean Z with a nickel Warpig with normal screws (like the gold one in the gallery). I'm afraid that the normal Warpig will be too mushy in the bass with all that mahogany behind the bridge and it's a string thru too. The ceramic should tighten the bass up.

(Sorry, didn't mean to hi-jack the thread)

[PhilKing]

My Warpig has a raw nickel cover with normal screws and is in a mahogany Explorer.  It sounds great,  I think the allen bolts are more cosmetic than anything, as they are the same diameter as the normal screws and I think both of them are mild steel.  I know mine has a lot of bottom end in the explorer (even when I switch it to parallel wiring).

[carlaz]

I'm afraid that the normal Warpig will be too mushy in the bass with all that mahogany behind the bridge [...] (Sorry, didn't mean to hi-jack the thread)

But as long as you have hi-jacked it   I'd like to just ask if anyone got clips of a Warpig in a big block o' mahogany?

The 'Pig is still my first choice for the bridge in my LP Standard, but one of the things I've never been happy about with my stock Gibson pickups is their lack of definition.  The Warpig will get me monstrous power chord action (which is good!), but will it just turn into a pile of mash when picking individual strings in an appegiated chord or something. (I mean, with sufficiently high gain, I guess anything will turn into a fountain of sludge, but I'm just wondering whether the 'Pig would be in general too muddy in an LP-style guitar?)

[chrisola]

Ahh Machine Men, i saw them in Wacken this year, absoloutely amazing!! Need to get round to buying their album..

I like my nailbomb for similar music, any clips you fancy to hear the different tones then let me know :D

[Davey]

Ahh Machine Men, i saw them in Wacken this year, absoloutely amazing!! Need to get round to buying their album..

I like my nailbomb for similar music, any clips you fancy to hear the different tones then let me know :D

yea.. try to get as close to that grunt (i know, the majority of it comes from the bass in the track lol)

if possible hehe.

[blackout]

I'm afraid that the normal Warpig will be too mushy in the bass with all that mahogany behind the bridge [...] (Sorry, didn't mean to hi-jack the thread)

But as long as you have hi-jacked it   I'd like to just ask if anyone got clips of a Warpig in a big block o' mahogany?

The 'Pig is still my first choice for the bridge in my LP Standard, but one of the things I've never been happy about with my stock Gibson pickups is their lack of definition.  The Warpig will get me monstrous power chord action (which is good!), but will it just turn into a pile of mash when picking individual strings in an appegiated chord or something. (I mean, with sufficiently high gain, I guess anything will turn into a fountain of sludge, but I'm just wondering whether the 'Pig would be in general too muddy in an LP-style guitar?)

I'll have a few clips up recorded through a metal shop equipped podXTlive on wednesday night hopefully. That's when I'm getting my warpig fitted in my LP custom. Unfortunately its an epi, instead of a gibson, but its a great guitar all the same, and will be all the better for the pickup upgrade.

[carlaz]

I'll have a few clips up recorded through a metal shop equipped podXTlive on wednesday night hopefully. That's when I'm getting my warpig fitted in my LP custom. Unfortunately its an epi, instead of a gibson, but its a great guitar all the same, and will be all the better for the pickup upgrade.

Excellent!  I look forward to hearing them.

I would think the first and foremost upgrade to a decent Epi was changing out the pickups anyway.  BKPs will make it sound better than a stock Gibson, I've little doubt.  You pay a lot of the the letters G, I B, S, O, and N -- which is why I bought that part of the alphabet second-hand in the States, for sure :).

Though Davey's observation about the overall guitar sound in the example Machine Men tracks (or on Bruce's Chemical Wedding, for that matter) leaning heavily on the bass are well made. I know I have a tendancy when playing the guitar by itself to tweak the low-end steadily into realms where it ends up a big pile of mashed potato in the mix -- especially given my other tendancy to jam too much drive into the bass sound when playing the bass by itself! :)

[Davey]

yea.. the bass itself on the machine men tracks and bruces stuff is really grinding.

when you are playing in a band the bass, obviously fills the role, but when you try and play that by yourself it usualy ends up in a mushy mess.

anyway.. i'll still go through with the nailbomb for my rhoads, and if i feel it lacks something, you might see it in the 2nds out bit, asking for a trade for a dif bkp