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jthompso

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Re: Pickups for RG 7620!!
« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2009, 12:31:47 PM »
Hey Erik,
Do you have any tips to smooth out the raw, abrasive growl of the Cobra?


Bias it, use a pickup with a low-mid rather than high-mid emphasis (WP, HD, etc), preferably speakers that aren't too brittle or buzzy like V30s tend to be.

Gday Vic,

Thanks for all your advice so far, I appreciate it! Ive ordered some Miracle Mans to put in my 7 string Mahogany Hellraiser, do you think that would be a good combo with the cobra? I was under the impression that the miracle mans were more high mid than low mid prominant and therefore would match better with the low mid of the Cobra?

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Re: Pickups for RG 7620!!
« Reply #16 on: February 16, 2009, 05:49:10 PM »
Hey Erik,
Do you have any tips to smooth out the raw, abrasive growl of the Cobra?


Bias it, use a pickup with a low-mid rather than high-mid emphasis (WP, HD, etc), preferably speakers that aren't too brittle or buzzy like V30s tend to be.

Gday Vic,

Thanks for all your advice so far, I appreciate it! Ive ordered some Miracle Mans to put in my 7 string Mahogany Hellraiser, do you think that would be a good combo with the cobra? I was under the impression that the miracle mans were more high mid than low mid prominant and therefore would match better with the low mid of the Cobra?

the raw tight nature of the cobra is something really difficult to tame
mine is now modded for a british crunchy midrange and a more dense tone with smoother highs and it's still tight as hell, even with the power amp section modded to smooth things a bit

what Vic said about the speakers is very important
I didn't like it with the vintage 30 neither the century vintage, cause they make it sound even more dry
this amp definitely works better with greenbacks, cause they compress the mids a bit and make the highs smoother, speaclly because they match the amp wattage
mine is running two power tubes only at 50w (cause it has 5 years power tubes, so a pair started to redplate)
in 50w, I run only half of the cab (2 x greenbacks), cause it sounds way better matching the power rating of the amp with the power handling of the speakers
when I run only 50w through the whole 100 watts cab, the mids don't sound as alive and it sounds thinner too

about the pickups,. I think that's relative
th Holy Diver is smoother, but I had the Miracle Man and Cold Sweat in the same guitar and played a 7 string with a Painkiller through it and they all worked better, except for cleans
the Miracle man can get a bit spikey on the highs, and doesn't sound as good without a boost (cause boosts usually emphasize the midrange)
the painkiller worked awesome even without a boost, causde it's already really mid heavy
but my favorite is definitely the cold sweat, since it has the qualities of both miracle man and painkiller, but a warmer overall tone and a hair less output
the miracle man has a ton of low end punch, a very unique snarl in the low mids and a lot of cutting treble, but it lacks a bit of center and high mids

you can have your amp modded to smooth some specific points in the power amp (grid resistors to the phase inverter and power tubes, fizzy cap linking the PI outputs, FRED rectification diodes and a higher negative feedback resistor), and they will make a noticeable difference, but won't turn it into a Bogner or something that smooth, unless you go extreme (and that would kill part of the aggressive nature of the amp)

for bedroom playing, the great secret is to plug a "bleedin' cable" into the return (coming from nowhere) and use the FX mix knob as a volume cut
I set the distorted channels volumes at 9-10, master at 3-4 and then the FX mix around 8 will give you a nice tone at bedroom volume
« Last Edit: February 16, 2009, 05:51:35 PM by Eric Hellstyle »
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Re: Pickups for RG 7620!!
« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2009, 01:57:01 PM »
Hey Erik,
Do you have any tips to smooth out the raw, abrasive growl of the Cobra?


Bias it, use a pickup with a low-mid rather than high-mid emphasis (WP, HD, etc), preferably speakers that aren't too brittle or buzzy like V30s tend to be.

Gday Vic,

Thanks for all your advice so far, I appreciate it! Ive ordered some Miracle Mans to put in my 7 string Mahogany Hellraiser, do you think that would be a good combo with the cobra? I was under the impression that the miracle mans were more high mid than low mid prominant and therefore would match better with the low mid of the Cobra?

the raw tight nature of the cobra is something really difficult to tame
mine is now modded for a british crunchy midrange and a more dense tone with smoother highs and it's still tight as hell, even with the power amp section modded to smooth things a bit

what Vic said about the speakers is very important
I didn't like it with the vintage 30 neither the century vintage, cause they make it sound even more dry
this amp definitely works better with greenbacks, cause they compress the mids a bit and make the highs smoother, speaclly because they match the amp wattage
mine is running two power tubes only at 50w (cause it has 5 years power tubes, so a pair started to redplate)
in 50w, I run only half of the cab (2 x greenbacks), cause it sounds way better matching the power rating of the amp with the power handling of the speakers
when I run only 50w through the whole 100 watts cab, the mids don't sound as alive and it sounds thinner too

about the pickups,. I think that's relative
th Holy Diver is smoother, but I had the Miracle Man and Cold Sweat in the same guitar and played a 7 string with a Painkiller through it and they all worked better, except for cleans
the Miracle man can get a bit spikey on the highs, and doesn't sound as good without a boost (cause boosts usually emphasize the midrange)
the painkiller worked awesome even without a boost, causde it's already really mid heavy
but my favorite is definitely the cold sweat, since it has the qualities of both miracle man and painkiller, but a warmer overall tone and a hair less output
the miracle man has a ton of low end punch, a very unique snarl in the low mids and a lot of cutting treble, but it lacks a bit of center and high mids

you can have your amp modded to smooth some specific points in the power amp (grid resistors to the phase inverter and power tubes, fizzy cap linking the PI outputs, FRED rectification diodes and a higher negative feedback resistor), and they will make a noticeable difference, but won't turn it into a Bogner or something that smooth, unless you go extreme (and that would kill part of the aggressive nature of the amp)

for bedroom playing, the great secret is to plug a "bleedin' cable" into the return (coming from nowhere) and use the FX mix knob as a volume cut
I set the distorted channels volumes at 9-10, master at 3-4 and then the FX mix around 8 will give you a nice tone at bedroom volume
Thanks for the tips Eric, much appreciated. Im using the cobra cab with greenbacks already. I really love the Cobra, but its a very dark tone and it seems to get lost against our other guitarist so hopefully the MM's will give me some more presence. Im also getting some CS's for my Ibanez 7620 so it will be good to compare. I played the Cobra through my mates Bogner Ubercab the other day and it was absolutely amazing - smoothed out all the abrasive qualities and just sounded warm, punchy and huge - highly recommend this cab with the cobra!!

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Re: Pickups for RG 7620!!
« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2009, 05:30:44 PM »
Thanks for the tips Eric, much appreciated. Im using the cobra cab with greenbacks already. I really love the Cobra, but its a very dark tone and it seems to get lost against our other guitarist so hopefully the MM's will give me some more presence. Im also getting some CS's for my Ibanez 7620 so it will be good to compare. I played the Cobra through my mates Bogner Ubercab the other day and it was absolutely amazing - smoothed out all the abrasive qualities and just sounded warm, punchy and huge - highly recommend this cab with the cobra!!

yeah, the cobra is a very dark amp (lot of people will say it's bright, but it's only brighter than the dragon), unless you use a lot of presence (and that will make it sound too spikey)
but I never had problem on cutting through the mix
it smoked every Mesa my bandmate had and can handle his 5150 even with the cr@ppiest cabinets I have to use at studio (mostly meteoros or valvestates)
when I had its matching cab at studio, I alwayshad to cut bass and mids, or the other guitarist and the bassist couldn't be heard


the ubercab was the v30 or greenback version?
I've played the cobra a few times through an oversized mesa with v30's and hated it
but maybe greenbacks would fix that
the cobra cab is very hard and "boxy" sounding cause it's small and frontloaded (I actually love it)
it has a lot of projection, and that's awesome for live playing
just ask anyone who's over 15 m from the stage
in front of the stage, you may have even volumes, but the cobra cab just throws your sound way further
but I imagine a backloaded cab with the same speakers can be a nice option to smooth the amp a bit
people on harmony central forum love that Splawn straight cab for the Cobra


back to the pickups question...
maybe the alnico warpig might be a good choice, since it's a fat and smooth pickup like the holy diver, but has a bit more mid push and compression and a bit more top end presence
it's like a holy diver with EL34's  :D
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Re: Pickups for RG 7620!!
« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2009, 03:41:07 AM »
Thanks for the tips Eric, much appreciated. Im using the cobra cab with greenbacks already. I really love the Cobra, but its a very dark tone and it seems to get lost against our other guitarist so hopefully the MM's will give me some more presence. Im also getting some CS's for my Ibanez 7620 so it will be good to compare. I played the Cobra through my mates Bogner Ubercab the other day and it was absolutely amazing - smoothed out all the abrasive qualities and just sounded warm, punchy and huge - highly recommend this cab with the cobra!!

yeah, the cobra is a very dark amp (lot of people will say it's bright, but it's only brighter than the dragon), unless you use a lot of presence (and that will make it sound too spikey)
but I never had problem on cutting through the mix
it smoked every Mesa my bandmate had and can handle his 5150 even with the cr@ppiest cabinets I have to use at studio (mostly meteoros or valvestates)
when I had its matching cab at studio, I alwayshad to cut bass and mids, or the other guitarist and the bassist couldn't be heard


the ubercab was the v30 or greenback version?
I've played the cobra a few times through an oversized mesa with v30's and hated it
but maybe greenbacks would fix that
the cobra cab is very hard and "boxy" sounding cause it's small and frontloaded (I actually love it)
it has a lot of projection, and that's awesome for live playing
just ask anyone who's over 15 m from the stage
in front of the stage, you may have even volumes, but the cobra cab just throws your sound way further
but I imagine a backloaded cab with the same speakers can be a nice option to smooth the amp a bit
people on harmony central forum love that Splawn straight cab for the Cobra


back to the pickups question...
maybe the alnico warpig might be a good choice, since it's a fat and smooth pickup like the holy diver, but has a bit more mid push and compression and a bit more top end presence
it's like a holy diver with EL34's  :D

The Ubercab had Celestion V30 and G12T75 speakers. It was unexpected, because Ive hated every V30 loaded cab Ive played the cobra through (mesa, Marshall and Bogner). The Ubercab sounded COMPLETELY different though - I guess the G12T75's really help to smooth out the mids, also the Ubercab design is quite different to conventional cab design - whatever it is, the cab seemed to fix all the little niggles I have with my tone through the cobra cab, which is easily the best cab Ive heard with the cobra head, second to the Ubercab! When I get enough cash Ill definately get one ($2200 in Australia!).

Ive actually started diming presence and treble on the Cobra so I can hear it properly in my band - the other guitarist has a Krankenstein through an Ubercab. It doesnt sound too bad and has definately helped with definition, but its still not as dominant as the other guys sound. The Cobra also isnt a very loud amp comparatively so that could be part of it. Anyway, Ive already ordered the MM's so hopefully Ill be happy with them in the mahogany Schecter Hellraiser 7.