THAT IS NOT FAIR!

[Ratrod]

Next year gibson will make a perfect Les Paul. they will charge 35,000 dollars for it. Before you can get one you will have to prove you have at least five other Gibsons, you will have to write a formal letter to Gibson stating you want to buy one and you motivation. If Gibson management deems you worthy enough they might considder letting you buy one from them. Waiting time will be 6 to 12 months.

[jpfamps]

Next year gibson will make a perfect Les Paul. they will charge 35,000 dollars for it. Before you can get one you will have to prove you have at least five other Gibsons, you will have to write a formal letter to Gibson stating you want to buy one and you motivation. If Gibson management deems you worthy enough they might considder letting you buy one from them. Waiting time will be 6 to 12 months.

You joke, but Howard Dumble does this with his amps!!

[Philly Q]

I like the way that the Gibson vs PRS issue has been hotly debated in this thread, whereas the universal truth that all Teles look cr@p has been quietly acknowledged with no fuss at all.

Magic :)

Roo

Eh?  When did that happen?

Have you been eating those funny mushrooms again?

[FELINEGUITARS]

Next year gibson will make a perfect Les Paul. they will charge 35,000 dollars for it. Before you can get one you will have to prove you have at least five other Gibsons, you will have to write a formal letter to Gibson stating you want to buy one and you motivation. If Gibson management deems you worthy enough they might considder letting you buy one from them. Waiting time will be 6 to 12 months.

You joke, but Howard Dumble does this with his amps!!

He also insists on seeing your record collection (and it must be on vinyl) to ensure your tastes are eclectic enough.

I have heard some awful noise coming from clips of Dumble and Fuchs amps

[ChunkyMunky]

But whats the point of it all though? Surely he's there to build amps and not spy and discriminate your every move  :lol:

[jpfamps]

Next year gibson will make a perfect Les Paul. they will charge 35,000 dollars for it. Before you can get one you will have to prove you have at least five other Gibsons, you will have to write a formal letter to Gibson stating you want to buy one and you motivation. If Gibson management deems you worthy enough they might considder letting you buy one from them. Waiting time will be 6 to 12 months.

You joke, but Howard Dumble does this with his amps!!

He also insists on seeing your record collection (and it must be on vinyl) to ensure your tastes are eclectic enough.

I have heard some awful noise coming from clips of Dumble and Fuchs amps

Well most of my record collection is on vinyl, although the Hammond organ records might be a bit too eclectic!

I've heard some awful noise coming from most brands of equipment, some of which I have been responsible for.....

[JamesHealey]

PRS are a non-profit charitable foundation, dedicated to bringing music to the world. Paul shuns the dollar, refusing to turn his passion into a business, and build guitars himself in a small workshop, and sells them at cost-plus-minimum-wage to customers he knows by name.

And is this how you run Martamp?... because to be frank your amps are great but I know a few things i'd upgrade on one if I were producing them, I wouldn't use Ceriatone Iron personally, but profit factors in doesnt it?

everyone is out to make a buck Martin, and you stand by your product as much as Paul stands by his, don't stand there being all high and mighty preaching from the high heavens about quality, because I've tried em all over the past 17 years and I work in a shop were I get to try lots and lots of guitars and PRS are outstanding.

I know you also said you weren't challenging the quality, just the over pricing but it's all relative, and the exclusiveness of anything can drive the price up, u think 10 top maple grows on trees? ;)

[jpfamps]

PRS are a non-profit charitable foundation, dedicated to bringing music to the world. Paul shuns the dollar, refusing to turn his passion into a business, and build guitars himself in a small workshop, and sells them at cost-plus-minimum-wage to customers he knows by name.

I wouldn't use Ceriatone Iron personally

So what iron would you use, and what basis are you making that judgement?

[JamesHealey]

Champ Electronics winds some pretty great stuff here in the UK but you pay through the teeth for it, i've heard it in hiwatt clones.

Heyboer wind some pretty fantastic stuff i've used a few of their transformers, Marstran, Metro.

Mercury Magnetics are alright too but I find them a bit brittle sounding.

It's all opinion, but I do find ceriatone's Iron somewhat muddy and lacking in harmonic content.

[martinw]

PRS are a non-profit charitable foundation, dedicated to bringing music to the world. Paul shuns the dollar, refusing to turn his passion into a business, and build guitars himself in a small workshop, and sells them at cost-plus-minimum-wage to customers he knows by name.

And is this how you run Martamp?... because to be frank your amps are great but I know a few things i'd upgrade on one if I were producing them, I wouldn't use Ceriatone Iron personally, but profit factors in doesnt it?

everyone is out to make a buck Martin, and you stand by your product as much as Paul stands by his, don't stand there being all high and mighty preaching from the high heavens about quality, because I've tried em all over the past 17 years and I work in a shop were I get to try lots and lots of guitars and PRS are outstanding.

Unbelievable!   :x

Try reading my posts, you'll see that you are way off beam.  :lol:  FFS I've said several times I'm not criticising ANYONE!!!!!

The bit you quoted was IRONY. I was making the point that PRS are in it to make a profit just like anyone else.
I'm not "getting all high and mighty and preaching about quality". Read my posts again!

As for trannies, I use CERIATONE trannies on CERIATONE amps when the customer has ordered a CERIATONE and wants to pay CERIATONE prices.  Get it?   
(In fact most Ceriatone transformers are pretty good.  I think both Dave and I, plus at least Sambo on this forum will attest to that.)
I use many other types of transformers in my other amps, as I see fit, and on customer request, which YOU KNOW because it's one of the things you've asked me in your various price requests. Allow me to quote myself from an email to you, 13th January 2009:

"I currently do the TW Express replica for £950, in standard Martamp spec with Ceriatone transformers.
You can specify alternative transformers if you like, and I’ll charge the appropriate extra amount. You can also supply your own, and I’ll deduct the transformer cost from the price"

I know you also said you weren't challenging the quality, just the over pricing but it's all relative, and the exclusiveness of anything can drive the price up, u think 10 top maple grows on trees? ;)

If you know I'm not challenging the quality, why say what you did in the rest of your post?
And if I'm challenging OVER-pricing, think about it. I'm not saying 10 tops should be cheap, am I?  :roll:

[Lew]

I think now is a good time to bring up how great Caparisons are.

[dave_mc]

^ :lol:

honestly, if you ask me both gibson and PRS are overpriced here in the UK. For both brands you have other guys making either as nice guitars for less money, or far nicer guitars for the same amount. In my opinion. :)

Couldn't agree more, high price = better in the logic of some folks whether it is justifiable or not.

Look how the cosmetics industry exploit this. 100 quid for some emulsified oil in a fancy pot, print a load of bollocks on the label and you have a queue of mugs biting the hand off Harvey Nichols sales staff for it.

Clothes...the fashion industry have obscene prices and more pretentious nonsence than any other, but they still pay the asking price. Look at the brand loyalty there.

So what do you do?

Go custom!  :lol:

definitely :D

(combined with buying from guys/companies who aren't completely ripping you off)

Did you know that Mr Smith is an endorsee of my Koch?  :lol: Well not mine exactly but Dolph's.

hahahahahahahaha

[AndyR]

I think now is a good time to bring up how great Caparisons are.

:lol:

(What is a Caparison btw? :lol:)

[Lew]

The molotove c--ktail of bkp thread subjects  8) :shock: :x :lol:

[38thBeatle]

I thought Caparison was an astrological  star sign.