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Re: hello im new
« Reply #45 on: February 25, 2009, 11:15:11 PM »
haha Terror. not a straightedge band at all. but yeah, one of those bands kids dig. though to be fair they have good records. just new york style hardcore i guess. like madball. why don't i see straightedge dudes in youth of today shirts any more? my thinking, is that a lot of people into that stuff now have got into it via slipknot and nu-metal stuff, because a lot of it does sound like BAD metal with 'dance parts'. i actually being restrained because i dont want to have a huge rant about how things 'used to be better'. imagine when hardcore is done and everyone is a crusty with a bicycle courier job.

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bit late, but welcome!

i really liked the avenger i tried, shame yours was acting up (and sounds great was no use in helping until, presumably, soldano twisted its arm).

hey thanks!
they sent my amp back... "fixed"... i notcied they had replaced the chassis screws with old rusty ones, so before i played it, i thought id check the bias. the outer tubes where idling at 42mA and 55mA... the inner pair at 35mA and 67mA!!!
5881's on 490v plate current. 67mA is SUPER hot! so i emailed them. complained about that, and the low frequency hum coming from it and they said tubes are prone to 'drift' and require a burn in and that it was set up perfectly before leaving the repair shop. so yeah... the bias for one tube drifted over 30mA? actually! soldano bias the 5881's in their avengers to 25mA! so in theory its 40mA over what it should be! thats a considerable drift. since it was set up perfectly and it drifted during transit!!! so its gone back to Sounds Great. Soldano offered me some free tubes... to go in my broken amp... sweet!



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Re: hello im new
« Reply #46 on: February 25, 2009, 11:16:43 PM »
yeah, i read that after i posted, that's ridiculous :( i'd be beyond pissed off too.

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« Reply #47 on: February 25, 2009, 11:22:44 PM »
yeah man.
maybe you guys can help because i honestly dont know what to do.
Sounds Great obviously dont want to give me my money back.
the offers so far are...
1. Talk to Soldano/Sounds Great and try to sort the amp out and get it back. (the problem being i dont trust any of the work that has been done to that amp while SG have had it, especially after the bias fiasco, which SG tried to tell me was only natural).
2. I take a cheaper amp. 50watt Avenger, and get the outstanding money paid back as store credit. (i dont really want to loose my money to store credit at a store ive had so much trouble with)
3. Give them MORE money and get a new (hopefully) totally functioning amp, which ill either love, or sell, cos it'll be totally new and unplayed. making a loss overall but coming away with more cash than if i went with the other deals.

im actually really worried im going to get stuffed and left with an amp i wont take on tour, dont trust, wont use, and sounds great and going to keep my money and never sort it.

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« Reply #48 on: February 25, 2009, 11:25:33 PM »
It's faulty, they are legally obliged to give you your money back if you want it. Regardless of what their company policy is, your statutory rights dictate that if goods aren't suitable for their intended function then they're compelled to give a refund.

I'd be completely polite and everything, don't lose your temper or be aggressive, just state that you want your money back for the faulty item they sold you, that you even gave them the opertunity to fix it and they didn't. Lots of pleases and thankyous but firm.

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« Reply #49 on: February 25, 2009, 11:48:58 PM »
i asked em already and got told no. maybe i wasnt speaking to the right person. ill have another go.

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« Reply #50 on: February 25, 2009, 11:53:19 PM »
They've probably got superiors on their back telling them to avoid refunds at all times, the guys in the shop will gt caught between a rock and a hard place to an extent. But refusing to refund your money for a faulty product is against the law.

Sale of goods act 1979.

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« Reply #51 on: February 26, 2009, 12:12:51 AM »
yo. tomorrow i'll just call up ask to be put onto the bloke in charge. see what happens.

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« Reply #52 on: February 26, 2009, 06:25:10 AM »
Actually the sale of goods act says that they don't have to give a refund after you've had the item for 'a reasonable length of time', they just have to repair it. I know that's vague, but I think the legal interpretation is that is if you had it long enough to establish that it wasn't faulty in the shop. If a componant goes within a couple of months then you can probably get your money back, but if you've had the item for say 6 months, they only have to repair it.

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« Reply #53 on: February 26, 2009, 07:13:20 AM »
You need to take your audience with you to SG, that should give you a bit of leverage!  :lol:
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« Reply #54 on: February 26, 2009, 04:13:07 PM »
^ there's no need to be aggressive, that can be counter-productive. once the shop knows that he knows that the law's on his side, odds are that'll fix it. ask to speak to the manager, too, the assistant won't have any power to decide what to do, anyway.

It's faulty, they are legally obliged to give you your money back if you want it. Regardless of what their company policy is, your statutory rights dictate that if goods aren't suitable for their intended function then they're compelled to give a refund.

I'd be completely polite and everything, don't lose your temper or be aggressive, just state that you want your money back for the faulty item they sold you, that you even gave them the opertunity to fix it and they didn't. Lots of pleases and thankyous but firm.

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http://www.consumerdirect.gov.uk/after_you_buy/know-your-rights/electrical/

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If you have only used it a few times or haven’t had a reasonable opportunity to check them, you are probably entitled to a refund for a fault or poor description, or alternatively you may request a replacement.
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If the fault is only minor and can easily be put right, it is reasonable to accept a repair. This won’t stop you claiming a replacement or refund if the repair turns out to be unsatisfactory.

I've bolded the important bits. would be worth printing that out and taking it with you (the consumer direct link, not the stuff i bolded :lol: ). make sure they KNOW that you know your rights. a lot of times shops are betting that most customers don't. it's amazing how quickly they'll change their tune when they realise that you know that they don't have a leg to stand on. unless they're complete crooks... which i doubt. but could be wrong.

the old OFT website was better than the consumer direct website which has replaced it... the consumer direct one is a bit gimmicky and a bit grey on certain things, whereas the old OFT one told you in black and white exactly what your rights are. But it still should be enough. Throw around the OFT name a bit too, it doesn't hurt to let them know that you know to whom to go to complain.

first things first- do NOT accept store credit, and do NOT give them any more money. A lot of the time, the law is on your side until you decide whether to accept a refund, repair or replacement. once you've accepted one, that's often it. A lot of more unscrupulous shops will try to get you to accept store credit etc. without letting you know you're entitled to a refund.

according to that link i posted, you *should* be ok, as the repair was completely shoddy. you accepted the repair in good faith, assuming it'd fix the matter. it did not. you're now entitled to a refund.


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« Reply #55 on: February 26, 2009, 05:25:39 PM »
Actually the sale of goods act says that they don't have to give a refund after you've had the item for 'a reasonable length of time', they just have to repair it. I know that's vague, but I think the legal interpretation is that is if you had it long enough to establish that it wasn't faulty in the shop.
But the only reason Dmoney's owned it for a "reasonable length of time" is that the shop have actually had it for the majority "fixing" it.

And the repair wasn't remotely satisfactory.


EDIT: Dave was in there first  :lol:

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« Reply #56 on: February 26, 2009, 05:43:15 PM »
yo.
turns out the guy i thought was an assistant is actually the MD.
he said that using an attenuator puts stress on the OP transformer and can make it blow... he said that to me like he was trying to blame me for breaking it... then i also had to explain to him why the bias problem was bad.
he told me how much new tubes and shipping for the OP transformer had cost him like it was meant to make me feel bad, or just to prove they had done something. apparently they have sent it to a new 'better' tech in manchester, but when i asked for the tech's number the guy said he'd liase with him first and then find out if he could give it to me. i think the guy talked me out of being angry... im actually bloody furious now.
yeah, i had it a 3 months before it broke down, but in that time i only got 2 weeks reasonable use.
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« Reply #57 on: February 26, 2009, 07:14:57 PM »
Dave, I was only joking when I suggested Dmoney takes his audience for more leverage, but after reading the latest update I think a bit a of scene is called for. What that so called manager has just told him is a load of fuking bollocks! I don't get treated like this when i make purchases in shops and if I did i go ballistic. Sometimes you have to make it known that you won't put up with bullshiteeee of any kind whatsoever and it works. I had some trouble with a mobile a few years back and I got what I wanted, I didn't swear to begin with but i made the people who were obviously trying to mug me off feel very uncomfortable and things start to happen when you take control of the dispute and tell them what you want.

Don't let this firm walk all over you mate. Get your money back.
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« Reply #58 on: February 26, 2009, 07:38:06 PM »
on the phone the MD was weird. asking me 'why' i checked the bias. I said the fact the bolts and washers on the underside of the amp didnt match the tolex marks made me think some idiot had lost em, and if that was the case what else had they done. forgot to mention the ill fitting preamp tubes and general untidyness of the amp.

i just sent the dude an email saying how upset i am, i quoted that consumer direct stuff and i also emailed a complaint to consumer direct anyway. if i end up with that amp and seriously gonna waste a grand on smashing it over the shop floor. i dont want to hear more things like "well i have to believe you when you tell me about using it with the attenuator... i wasnt watching you in your bedroom or while you were on tour". that that i use the attenuator live. but that seems to be the guys main gripe. I also pointed out how THD makes amps...the he sells!... why would they produce a product that would damage their own products? i also pointed out Weber and Dr.Z attenuators. and apparently he hadnt heard of the 'contraption' (weber bias rite) that i use to check the bias in my amps.

im getting pretty next level pissed off.

to put it in context. some dude called me '4 eyes' once on trafalgar square. i terrified 6 of his mates and hit him in the mouth for his trouble. you want to rip me off for £1000? its only gonna go so far.

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Re: hello im new
« Reply #59 on: February 26, 2009, 10:12:31 PM »
^ I would find a guitar in his shop that exceeds the value of your amp and just walk out the door with it, seriously. Flog it and get yourself something decent. He needs fuking slap treating people like that, it ain't on.
I've decked loads of idiots in my time, it feels good for a bit doesn't it!  :lol:
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