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Fingerpicking - its like learning how to play all over again
« on: February 22, 2009, 05:08:12 PM »
I've got really bored of my "rock" playing recently so I thought I'd try something new. My acoustic gets neglected a lot because I dont know any songs that are meant for acoustic (apart from stairway to heaven and babe im gonna leave you :P) so I fancied giving fingerpicking a go. I dont have my acoustic with me right now but I plan on bringing it back to uni next weekend.

Anyway this is $%&#ing hard! I asked on HC Acoustic Guitars forum for some beginner songs and someone recommended this version of Here Comes the Sun - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qy4_uoFc0Xw

And this is the best I can do the verse parts after after like 5 hours of trying :lol: - http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=493678&songID=7361502

Any tips? I think its the thumb independance and finger strength more than anything. I cant pick with anything other than thumb and first 2 fingers confidently. This is really killing my fingers as I dont have any nails to pick with so I'm left with my fingertips. Got massive blisters now :\

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Re: Fingerpicking - its like learning how to play all over again
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2009, 05:14:31 PM »
I've got really bored of my "rock" playing recently so I thought I'd try something new. My acoustic gets neglected a lot because I dont know any songs that are meant for acoustic (apart from stairway to heaven and babe im gonna leave you :P) so I fancied giving fingerpicking a go. I dont have my acoustic with me right now but I plan on bringing it back to uni next weekend.

Anyway this is $%&#ing hard! I asked on HC Acoustic Guitars forum for some beginner songs and someone recommended this version of Here Comes the Sun - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qy4_uoFc0Xw

And this is the best I can do the verse parts after after like 5 hours of trying :lol: - http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=493678&songID=7361502

Any tips? I think its the thumb independance and finger strength more than anything. I cant pick with anything other than thumb and first 2 fingers confidently. This is really killing my fingers as I dont have any nails to pick with so I'm left with my fingertips. Got massive blisters now :\

I'm no fingerpicking brillance but I'll give it a shot. :P

First things first, I think you need to start using more fingers in your right hand. The more the merrier, but it'll take a while to build up strength, Start by just using your middle finger occasionally and then start using it more frivolously. Repeat this with the other two fingers left to go. Maybe play whole chords and arpeggiate them?


Oh yeah, Let your blisters heal a bit before having a crack. :P

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Re: Fingerpicking - its like learning how to play all over again
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2009, 05:18:04 PM »
At the minute I'm tryin to use them all except the little finger because it doesnt feel right at least for that song. I keep slipping back to using finger 2 where I should be using finger 3 though, its getting annoying now so I give up until my blisters have healed a bit :lol:

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Re: Fingerpicking - its like learning how to play all over again
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2009, 05:33:41 PM »
Yeah give up until the blisters go away! I found investing in finger picks a good idea, even if all your playing is accompanied by clicking.
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Re: Fingerpicking - its like learning how to play all over again
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2009, 07:00:49 PM »
Tom I think that you should just carry on doing what you are doing and you will find that the whole movement will become unconscious. I would suggest listening the George Harrison's original though as there is a lighter syncopation going on -nevertheless that version you have is very helpful and I wish such things had been available when I was learning this in my youth.
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Re: Fingerpicking - its like learning how to play all over again
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2009, 07:50:48 AM »
I know what you mean Tom! It is a whole new ball game. I'd love to be able to do it.
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Re: Fingerpicking - its like learning how to play all over again
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2009, 09:18:40 AM »
I'm going through the same at the moment. It's like I've never picked up a guitar before.
To gain some structure as I really do want to learn a good bit of fingerstyle technique I invested in this http://www.davidmead.net/dmbooks14.html It's slow to start but certainly works you in the correct areas and speeds up in technique quite quickly.
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Re: Fingerpicking - its like learning how to play all over again
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2009, 09:41:06 AM »
I fingerpick more than play electric - the secret is to build up slowly as its a reflex action like alternating pick picking rather than a 'skill'.  I would resist fingerpicks at first and only use a thumb pick when you have right hand damping down pat with your bare thumb.

This exercise helps with developing alternating bass - hold a open G chord (fingerpickers - style i.e. with your third finger fretting the third fret of the bottom E string) - now release your other two fingers and whilst playing the E and D strings with you thumb on the beat, play the G minor pentatonic scale starting on the open G string with your fingers - first as pinches with the beat and then off beat as 8th notes.  When you have that automatic, extend to a G major scale, then a G natural minor and then the mixolydian.... etc.  Also try to play the scale as 8th notes, swing 8ths and 16th notes.  Obviously a metronome helps to get the beat right.

Also don't worry too much about incorporating the third finger in finger picking - if you can so much the better - someone like John Renbourn does, but the blues finger pickers almost never did.

Stefan Grossman's DVDs are great for learning this style btw - even if you don't like country blues guitar.
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Re: Fingerpicking - its like learning how to play all over again
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2009, 11:24:43 AM »
^ Class info from Elliot (IMHO :lol:) - it's roughly what I want to say but haven't got time to type it here at work...

But good luck Tom - those blisters do ease off...
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Re: Fingerpicking - its like learning how to play all over again
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2009, 09:53:06 AM »
Cheers for all the tips :)

I think I'm starting to get the hang of it now, I'm up to the 3rd bar of the chorus now and its sticking with me, rather than those cases of being able to play it perfectly one day then cant do it at all the next :) I'm actually finding this type of playing more rewarding and enjoyable to play than my normal rock and metal sort of thing. Could just be because I'm in a rut with that so this seems fresh and exciting.. I think the real trouble will come in when I try to make up my own things like this :P

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Re: Fingerpicking - its like learning how to play all over again
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2009, 12:32:45 PM »
That's where your chord rather than scale theory becomes important!
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Re: Fingerpicking - its like learning how to play all over again
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2009, 12:48:59 PM »
I think the real trouble will come in when I try to make up my own things like this :P

You'll be able to handle it Tom. :D

Like Elliot says, it's where your chord theory comes in - but regardless how much theory you have already, I can tell from your clips over the months, that you can already "hear" the right stuff to do and reach for it almost instinctively.

It'll still be frustrasting (and rewarding at the same time, hopefully) sorting it out though :lol:
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