tours, gigs

[bucketshred]

contracts.

anything over £100, get a contract drawn up, that means that they HAVE to play (providing you held up your end of the contract) unless they want legal action.

[Dmoney]

ive seen booking agencies do deals with 16 year old kids who want to put on the bands they love. they promise the world and dont know what to do to put on a show, then it fails, and the bands get stiffed because they have to threaten a 16 year old for the money, or try and get it from his parents. and then once the touring bands have lost money due to bad booking, the booking agency will turn around and charge a hefty hefty fee to the bands for booking the bad shows and making posters and so on. with what we do, ive seen dudes in europe fully up for driving to the booking agencies office and smashing everybody in it to bits. some people you just dont want to mess with.

shame. all that is people taking advantage of a kids passion for music. happens more often than you'd think at a certain level.

[gwEm]

i've done a few tours abroad in the past, always lose money... in fact anything involving music is a big money hole. been f_cked over so many times i've lost count. and 'up your arse' to all those concerned in that!

but, i'm not bitter at all. i knew it was going to be like that and i wouldn't miss it for anything.

playing live music is the best thing in the world, no doubt about it.

[bucketshred]

ive seen booking agencies do deals with 16 year old kids who want to put on the bands they love. they promise the world and dont know what to do to put on a show, then it fails, and the bands get stiffed because they have to threaten a 16 year old for the money, or try and get it from his parents. and then once the touring bands have lost money due to bad booking, the booking agency will turn around and charge a hefty hefty fee to the bands for booking the bad shows and making posters and so on. with what we do, ive seen dudes in europe fully up for driving to the booking agencies office and smashing everybody in it to bits. some people you just dont want to mess with.

shame. all that is people taking advantage of a kids passion for music. happens more often than you'd think at a certain level.

a friend of mine used to be in a fairly big metal/hardcore band and that happened to him so he had to go and knock on the parents door to get the money.

on the other hand tho, they also played a gig in bradford in some students cellar, got paid a small amount of cash but had a whale of a time. :D

[Dmoney]

a friend of mine used to be in a fairly big metal/hardcore band and that happened to him so he had to go and knock on the parents door to get the money.

on the other hand tho, they also played a gig in bradford in some students cellar, got paid a small amount of cash but had a whale of a time.

my bands played in basements. never really had to go nuts at a promoter though. we lots some money in italy last summer, but we really couldnt do anything about it. that was a 3 band package tour. but in the end everyone came out ok. Playing and writing songs is better than the money side of things. i agree. i just dont think people should take advantage of bands by assuming everyone CAN deal with making a loss all the time. i know thats not what you mean gwem, im just saying.
but like, if everyone had a problem with gigs they could always put their own shows on. DIY ethic. form a musicians collective and share the responsibity.

[gwEm]

i know thats not what you mean gwem, im just saying.

i know mate :)

but like, if everyone had a problem with gigs they could always put their own shows on. DIY ethic. form a musicians collective and share the responsibity.

i've done this a few times - problem is venues often give external promoters a far less advantageous rate. its still hard to recover costs in my experience :(

edit: i sometimes think professional promoters need to be deliberately dishonest to make any money at all

[Dmoney]

aww man. i didnt think of that. finding a good venue is hard work. Liverpool used to have a place called the 24/7 (aka heav'n'hell). that place was FREE to hire out to bands. simply because they made good money at the bar when the place was full.
it was sooo good!
it got closed down by people trying to get liverpool the 'capital of culture' thing, by ironically shutting down bulldozing anything cultural in the city to dirt.

has anybody ever fantasized about owning a venue? haha

[gwEm]

aww man. i didnt think of that. finding a good venue is hard work. Liverpool used to have a place called the 24/7 (aka heav'n'hell). that place was FREE to hire out to bands. simply because they made good money at the bar when the place was full.
it was sooo good!
it got closed down by people trying to get liverpool the 'capital of culture' thing, by ironically shutting down bulldozing anything cultural in the city to dirt.

has anybody ever fantasized about owning a venue? haha

i know a few stories like that of cool venues... blame rent/wholesale price of booze.. but i'm sure we all agree there is never any excuse for any dishonest or lies.

[gwEm]

but i'm sure we all agree there is never any excuse for any dishonest or lies.

and i especially dislike this from other musicians... (even some dishonest peeps on this forum :( - though luckily not that many)

[Dmoney]

B33F

[Adam.M]

Why the hell do we need promoters anyway? I've never gone to a gig because of a poster or flyer, i've gone because i've seen it on the local gig listing or i know the band and seen it on their myspace/email/whatever.

I ignore all posters i see and to be honest expect most of them to be of gigs already gone by. Usually is the case.

Anyone i know who has been a 'promoter' is just some sad sad socialite looking for some social brownie points and to feel special, never gave a toss about the music or the bands. But that's just my limited experience so far....

[murraymurray]

has anybody ever fantasized about owning a venue? haha

we just made our own "venue" in our garage a few months back. most of the local bars here werent allowing punk and hardcore bands to play and i moved into a central location with a big garage, so I bought a PA, put up a bit of noise proofing and were good to go. Have had some great party shows there, usually just do it free/cheap entry for local bands, reasonably cheap entry for out of town bands to cover gas etc. up to the bands playing if they want to charge generally. even had a couple of international bands down there.
sucks having to clean up after 100+ punks some weeks, but its so much easier than dealing with everything else to do with putting on shows.
cops came last week but managed to get rid of them with only a few small lies  :lol:

[Dmoney]

has anybody ever fantasized about owning a venue? haha

we just made our own "venue" in our garage a few months back. most of the local bars here werent allowing punk and hardcore bands to play and i moved into a central location with a big garage, so I bought a PA, put up a bit of noise proofing and were good to go. Have had some great party shows there, usually just do it free/cheap entry for local bands, reasonably cheap entry for out of town bands to cover gas etc. up to the bands playing if they want to charge generally. even had a couple of international bands down there.
sucks having to clean up after 100+ punks some weeks, but its so much easier than dealing with everything else to do with putting on shows.
cops came last week but managed to get rid of them with only a few small lies  :lol:

awesome

[bucketshred]

if you're in the UK, I'd love to play there!

[Roobubba]

if you're in the UK, I'd love to play there!

Ditto! :)