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Ian Price

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Warmoth builds
« on: April 13, 2009, 06:54:06 PM »
Right then, gWem got my juices flowing for a warmoth a while back, they dissapeared for a while and have now reappered since Dave got his tele.

I am again considering putting together a strat and know what weight I want it to be around (7.2-7.5 lbs). Any tips on what sort of body weight I shold be going for? I can't see any weight guides on other stuff such as the neck and don't want to get something too light or too heavy.

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Re: Warmoth builds
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2009, 07:08:05 PM »
You need to decide on the wood and then go for the lightest weight available in it.  That's how I usually do it.
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Re: Warmoth builds
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2009, 07:19:12 PM »
If I did that I'm assuming it could end up being lighter than I want or is there something I'm missing? Some lead weights maybe?
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Re: Warmoth builds
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2009, 07:28:05 PM »
any reason you don't want it to be light light?

Ian Price

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« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2009, 07:29:32 PM »
Not really - I'm just used to 7.5ish. I can go lighter but don't want it to feel like it's not there if you get my drift.
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« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2009, 07:42:03 PM »
From my various partscasters, I've figured out that the neck, hardware, pickups, scratchplate etc (i.e. everything except the body) weigh approximately three and a half pounds.  Vintage-style tuners are a little lighter than modern sealed ones, and I think a vintage truss rod is a bit lighter than a double expanding one.

That's for a Tele or a hardtail Strat - a tremolo adds the best part of half a pound, although you lose a couple of ounces from the body by routing it for the trem.

Personally, I look for something between, say 3 lbs 10 oz and 4 lbs 3 oz.  That'll give a guitar weighing 7 to 7-1/2 pounds.  You can get really light swamp ash or basswood bodies, right down below 3 lbs, but I wonder if they'd sound a bit lightweight too?  Alder bodies start a few ounces below 4 lbs but can be much heavier.

I'm not saying 7-1/2 pounds is the ideal weight for a great-sounding Strat or Tele - I haven't a clue, really! - but it's a comfortable weight to carry around.

Of course, just to complicate things, you might also want to consider Warmoth's chambered bodies!  That brings the weight right down but they're supposed to retain the tonal characteristics of the wood.  I've never tried one, but I have a feeling a 3-pound chambered body would sound better than a 3-pound solid one.

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Re: Warmoth builds
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2009, 07:48:54 PM »
Cheers Philly - thanks for the detail! Some of my choices will be based on cost but hopefully not at the expense of quality. I was going to plan a hardtail so I assume that would save some money on the hardware, I won't be skimping on pickups and will more than likely go for a Mothers Milk set. I probably won't skimp on hardware either so will have to look for the cheapest body/neck combo as long as it fits in with my 'vision' - this is probably a tall order!
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« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2009, 08:06:18 PM »
It's definitely cheaper to buy unfinished necks/bodies and do some kind of oil finish like Dave just has.

Having said that, all the Warmoth bodies I've bought are finished, but I've just ordered an unfinished neck which I'm going to use Tru-Oil on.  I'm also thinking that if I want to work on the fret ends or do "rolled" edges on the fingerboard, it's better not to have a nice finish to screw up. 

If you do want finished parts, get them from the Showcase (now renamed "In Stock" on the website!), it's cheaper than doing a custom order.  Although strangely enough, a custom-ordered unfinished part seems to be the same price as the Showcase equivalent.
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« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2009, 08:16:29 PM »
I did think about an unfinished body but do want either a Candy Tangerine, Fiesta Red or Daphne Blue finish. It'll probably be easier to keep an eye on the showcase for these and snap one up when/if it becomes available. Not sure about neck yet, I did want a rosewood board but remembered I have sold every rosewood board guitar I have ever had. It seems like maple is the way to go for me but am really not sure if maple will look good with the colours I am looking for (I wear glasses and don't want to look like Hank Marvin!)
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Re: Warmoth builds
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2009, 08:41:32 PM »
Could be a long wait if you want a hardtail a particular colour, only because they don't put many hardtails in the Showcase - they must not sell well.

Having said that, I have seen a Candy Tangerine one in the past, not sure if Warmoth offer Daphne Blue... and there's a Fiesta Red one there at the moment, as you've probably seen.  :)
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Re: Warmoth builds
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2009, 09:32:50 PM »
Warmoth musta been great value 12 months ago with the $ rate not so good now?

Although I notice they do have a bargain section with a nice looking sparkly blue strat body

What's a typical starting price for a warmoth strat? Just curious ( I mean all in parts as well)

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« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2009, 09:58:20 PM »
My Tele, without pickups but including everything else, cost about £600-£650.  That includes the Danish Oils and steel wool, plus protective gloves.  I had a few spare parts lying around, hence the non-exact cost.  I reckon you could buy everything minus pickups for under £650.

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Re: Warmoth builds
« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2009, 10:27:05 PM »
Warmoth musta been great value 12 months ago with the $ rate not so good now?

It was - unfortunately I've got the "Warmoth habit" and I'm still buying stuff even though the prices have rocketed.

My Tele, without pickups but including everything else, cost about £600-£650.  That includes the Danish Oils and steel wool, plus protective gloves.  I had a few spare parts lying around, hence the non-exact cost.  I reckon you could buy everything minus pickups for under £650.

Yeah, sounds about right.  It is hard to be specific because, like you, I always have various spare parts around the place.  But I also buy parts then change my mind and use something else, so quite often a guitar costs me a lot more than the sum of the parts I actually end up using!
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Ian Price

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Re: Warmoth builds
« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2009, 10:35:22 PM »
My Tele, without pickups but including everything else, cost about £600-£650.  That includes the Danish Oils and steel wool, plus protective gloves.  I had a few spare parts lying around, hence the non-exact cost.  I reckon you could buy everything minus pickups for under £650.

Good stuff - I'm aiming for around the £600.00 mark. I know it's gonna be frustrating when the guitar is ready but for the pickups!
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Re: Warmoth builds
« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2009, 10:44:19 PM »
Remember that a finished body will cost more, unless you get a sale bargain, and that a Strat trem will cost more than a fixed bridge.  Plus there's one more pot to buy  ;)

I think you'll do incredibly well to get it under £600.........