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Steve-Mr Pig 2U

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« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2005, 06:42:59 PM »
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Twilight Odyssey is the '80's metal authority on this forum. As well as BKP's most imporant bench and field tester of '80's style metal pups.


I dont know about that!

Me, either! Tho Mr Pig takes special pleasure in disagreeing with me. ;)


Don’t take it the wrong way TO, That’s what I hate about posting, you can never read things the way they are meant to be read!
Im not insulting you or your knowledge.... it's just Tim's the one who voiced the pickups and field tested them.
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« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2005, 06:45:54 PM »
Just listened to some Savatage and I also like that guitar sound. Will either the Mule or the Crawler give me something like that sound??
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TwilightOdyssey

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« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2005, 06:46:42 PM »
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Don’t take it the wrong way TO, That’s what I hate about posting, you can never read things the way they are meant to be read!
Im not insulting you or your knowledge.... it's just Tim's the one who voiced the pickups and field tested them.

None taken!
It's all in good fun, my man.
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TwilightOdyssey

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« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2005, 06:47:43 PM »
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Just listened to some Savatage and I also like that guitar sound. Will either the Mule or the Crawler give me something like that sound??

Savatage ... one of my favourite bands, but totally different tone. What era? Which guitar player? Sava's had about 7 different guitarists, all with different rigs.
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Joeri

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« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2005, 06:51:12 PM »
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Just listened to some Savatage and I also like that guitar sound. Will either the Mule or the Crawler give me something like that sound??

Savatage ... one of my favourite bands, but totally different tone. What era? Which guitar player? Sava's had about 7 different guitarists, all with different rigs.


Just listened to the album Ghost in the Ruins - a tribute to Criss Oliva which has Criss Oliva on guitar. Great player btw  :guitar4:

I kinda want the best of both worlds. From Bon Jovi right up to Savatage and everything in between.
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TwilightOdyssey

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« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2005, 06:55:11 PM »
Chriss Oliva had a very typical metal setup: Charvel guitars and Marshall amps. For that sound, I would think Holy Diver. And scoop the mids.
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Joeri

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« Reply #21 on: October 17, 2005, 06:59:56 PM »
But will the Holy Diver do a good enough Richie Sambora tone?? So will either a Mule or a Crawler do a good enough Criss Oliva tone?? Doesn't have to be his exact tone, just something in that direction...
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« Reply #22 on: October 17, 2005, 07:10:56 PM »
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Back from work and listened to some audio clips. I must say I kinda like all of the pickups mentioned so far. But I don't think the Miracle Man can give me a good Richie Sambora sound.

I also read that he used a DM PAF Pro in his Fender Signature Strat, so that would lead me to either a Mule or a VH II (same output & magnet). But I also read that on his Kramer Signature (which he used in the 80's) he used to have a SD JB, and that would lead me to a Holy Diver. So I'm still confused on what to get.

And does anyone have some suggestions on the middle & neck pickups??


Sambora's Sig model Kramer's came with Duncan JB's BUT he has said that he used Dimarzio's in his own guitars. Which I always assumed were PAF pros. Kramer had had some deal with Duncan back in the day. A lot of Kramers came stock with Duncan pickups. Anyway my point is that the Jb or anything like a Jb would be the wrong pickup for Sambora tone.
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« Reply #23 on: October 17, 2005, 07:13:55 PM »
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Sambora's Sig model Kramer's came with Duncan JB's BUT he has said that he used Dimarzio's in his own guitars. Which I always assumed were PAF pros. Kramer had had some deal with Duncan back in the day. A lot of Kramers came stock with Duncan pickups. Anyway my point is that the Jb or anything like a Jb would be the wrong pickup for Sambora tone.


So I could better go with a Mule or a Crawler instead of the Holy Diver??? The Richie Sambora tone is still the most important I want, but to get some others (like Savatage, allthough that's not even close to Sambora) wouldn't hurt  8).
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« Reply #24 on: October 17, 2005, 07:17:47 PM »
IMO the Mule would be the right choice for Sambora.
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TwilightOdyssey

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« Reply #25 on: October 17, 2005, 07:19:25 PM »
Yes, go with the pup that will work better in the lower gain setting, and then you can work up. It's much harder in the reverse.

You have to remember, most metal guys don't even HAVE a low gain or clean setting. And of the ones that do, most of those are pure cr@p.
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« Reply #26 on: October 17, 2005, 07:26:00 PM »
Ok, thanks everyone for the replies so far. I guess my choice is narrowed down to the following HSS sets:
- Mule + Irish Tours
- Crawler + Mothers Milk

Which one of these 2 sets can give me the best Sambora sound but also something close to bands like Dokken and Savatage??
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« Reply #27 on: October 17, 2005, 08:22:04 PM »
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Ok, thanks everyone for the replies so far. I guess my choice is narrowed down to the following HSS sets:
- Mule + Irish Tours
- Crawler + Mothers Milk

Which one of these 2 sets can give me the best Sambora sound but also something close to bands like Dokken and Savatage??


I tried the Crawler in my Sambora strat,it was cool but not the tone Richie would use.I still say the Mule is the closest thing,trust me i have searched for his live tone for ages and this is the nearest.Very warm,very round with alot of attack and no muddiness.It will do a great blues tone and wind up the gain it will really sing.Maybe with the Irish Tours (better than Texas specials).
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Mule,Trilogy,Irish Tours,Holy Diver and Apaches.

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« Reply #28 on: October 18, 2005, 07:03:29 AM »
Looks like I'm going for the Mule/Irish Tours set then. Just have to wait (hopefully) less than a month to order my custom guitar fitted with BKP's.
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« Reply #29 on: October 18, 2005, 12:31:02 PM »
Still have one concern: will the Mule be able to do Dokken, Motley Crue, etc. (I guess that Savatage is not possible with a Mule??)
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