How versatile are Warpigs?

[Bradock PI]

He could always put them on the back as inset thumb pots and flush switches - could even have none on the front - crazy flexibility and peeps wouldn't know how it was happening they would have to be along the back edge.

[WezV]

With coil taps you could potentially have the most switchable unit available - standard full coil humbuckers - low out put humbuckers (half coil or some other split point), then you could split the humbuckers to give you full power single coil pickups or split the half humbuckers to give you lower power single coil pickups. Not done a wiring diagram but the switching would be fun!

There would be one condition - never ever ever try to play it live you would never know where you were up to!

In fact if you had a 3 humbucker job it could be the most versatile guitar ever made, 6 pots and two switches and the 3 volume pots would prolly need to be push pull as well for high and low power coils, standard 5 way switch for position select and the other toggle for single/humbuckers - gives 80 pickup modes.

thinks like this have been done.  they can be fun but you always find yourself coming back to the same few sounds

[_tom_]

Yeah I dont want all that stuff as I'd spend far too much time messing around with the switches and not getting any playing done :P

Can you get 4 way mini toggles or something similar (that wont look as bad as a 5 way switch)? Ideally I'd like to have the options of:

1-no splitting
2-both split
3-neck split
4-bridge split

Or something.

[Antag]

You can get a 3-way on/on/on mini switch to get Series/Split/Parallel, but you can only wire one pickup into it (so you'd need two of them if you wanted this for each pickup.

Or you can use a 2-wau on/on mini switch to split a pickup (I don't think that these are DPDT so again you'd need one per pickup)

Or you can split both pickups with a push/pull pot

[_tom_]

The last push pull pot I tried was terrible, really loose and flimsy feeling. Really put me off em.

btw is there much difference between split and parallel?

[Antag]

btw is there much difference between split and parallel?

In my experience the tonal difference is slightly less than positions #4 (mid+neck) & #5 (neck only) on a strat.

& that parallel is hum cancelling, of course... :)

[Bradock PI]

thinks like this have been done.  they can be fun but you always find yourself coming back to the same few sounds

Yes I expect you would but I have never come accross anything even close to this level of change so I expect there would be 5 or 6 sounds you would mostly use but the varaition would be far larger than the typical complex switching as the coil taps giving high low values  combined with the single coil humbucker option would give a much greater scope for variation

So you may for example use high bridge humbucker, low neck humbucker, high bridge single coil, low neck/middle single coil, high humbucker neck middle.

Giving a much wider tonal and output change than typical complex systems which usually just give you more variations within the same small band (ie takes the extremes and allows 7 options imbetween instead of one or two) the objective here was to give the biggest scope.

[_tom_]

Hmm I think I'm going to have to have more than 1 knob anyway afterall as I realised that I like to switch between clean/dirty with the toggle, having the neck pickup volume down for the clean and bridge on full for the dirt.. so yeah I'd need 2 volumes, so if there are any good quality push/pull pots then that sorts it out and I wont need additional switches..

I think I remember Philly Q saying that PRS push/pull pots are good so I guess I could try to find some of those.

[Antag]

I think I remember Philly Q saying that PRS push/pull pots are good so I guess I could try to find some of those.

Yeah, my Singlecut has the push/pull coil splitting on the tone knob & I have had no problems with reliability.  It feels solid enough to me & it's visually (as well as aurally!) obvious which setting you're on.

CTS pots are plenty solid & reliable.  They make a 500k w/push-pull pot so you can mount it on one of the volumes controls...

[Will]

Hmm I think I'm going to have to have more than 1 knob anyway afterall as I realised that I like to switch between clean/dirty with the toggle, having the neck pickup volume down for the clean and bridge on full for the dirt.. so yeah I'd need 2 volumes, so if there are any good quality push/pull pots then that sorts it out and I wont need additional switches..

I think I remember Philly Q saying that PRS push/pull pots are good so I guess I could try to find some
of those.

You could try what gwEm did with his V90. Have a switch to bypass the volume pot, so you can dial in the clean with the volume, and hit bypass for full dirty sounds

[gwEm]

Hmm I think I'm going to have to have more than 1 knob anyway afterall as I realised that I like to switch between clean/dirty with the toggle, having the neck pickup volume down for the clean and bridge on full for the dirt.. so yeah I'd need 2 volumes, so if there are any good quality push/pull pots then that sorts it out and I wont need additional switches..

I think I remember Philly Q saying that PRS push/pull pots are good so I guess I could try to find some
of those.

You could try what gwEm did with his V90. Have a switch to bypass the volume pot, so you can dial in the clean with the volume, and hit bypass for full dirty sounds

and i'm still very pleased with how that works! i did a similar thing on my union jack steinberger and my jazzmaster.

the red and white steinbergers are wired with fixed values for bridge tone and volume, so the controls only work on the neck pickup - a similar sort of arrangement.

[WezV]

thinks like this have been done.  they can be fun but you always find yourself coming back to the same few sounds

Yes I expect you would but I have never come accross anything even close to this level of change so I expect there would be 5 or 6 sounds you would mostly use but the varaition would be far larger than the typical complex switching as the coil taps giving high low values  combined with the single coil humbucker option would give a much greater scope for variation

So you may for example use high bridge humbucker, low neck humbucker, high bridge single coil, low neck/middle single coil, high humbucker neck middle.

Giving a much wider tonal and output change than typical complex systems which usually just give you more variations within the same small band (ie takes the extremes and allows 7 options imbetween instead of one or two) the objective here was to give the biggest scope.

i do suggest you try it sometime, i think everyone should at some point.  you will be happy with the flexibility for a while, but it will come down to a situation of only using a few settings.  i dont think its a bad thing - it can be a usefull way of finding the settings  and techniques you like

[dheim]

Hmm I think I'm going to have to have more than 1 knob anyway afterall as I realised that I like to switch between clean/dirty with the toggle, having the neck pickup volume down for the clean and bridge on full for the dirt.. so yeah I'd need 2 volumes, so if there are any good quality push/pull pots then that sorts it out and I wont need additional switches..

I think I remember Philly Q saying that PRS push/pull pots are good so I guess I could try to find some
of those.

You could try what gwEm did with his V90. Have a switch to bypass the volume pot, so you can dial in the clean with the volume, and hit bypass for full dirty sounds

this is uber cool!

[_tom_]

Great idea, I didnt think of that. So I could still have the splitting on a decent push/pull pot then clean/dirty on a mini toggle to the side :)

[WezV]

it would be versatile but still look simple and uncluttered.  works for me!