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dnamra13

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Gibson explorer pickup change
« on: April 17, 2009, 02:12:47 PM »
I bought my explorer about two years ago, and now i feel like it's time for a pickup change. bare knuckle pickups caught my attention because of the good reviews all around the internet.

My explorer has a mahogany body with a mahogany neck and a rosewood fingerboard and it has still the stock pickups in it.

i want the bridge pickup to be more defined / articulate on the bass notes and i want my pinch harmonics to be more pronounced. so it needs be tighter pickup.

i want the neck pickup to be fluid sounding but also with more articulation on the bass notes because now it tends to get very mushy. Also the higher notes don't cut through enough.

i was also thinking of doing something cool with the wiring. i thought of being able to coil split each humbucker with two volume push pull pots and i would like to be able to use a push pull tone knob for an out of phase sound.

my favorite bands / songs are: slayer (think of tight staccato riffs), exodus (the toxic waltz), Testament (practice what you preach tone), Arch enemy, Death besides the metal i also like 80's hardrock stuff like ozzy and sometimes i like to do some gary moore stuff.

could you guys give me an advice on what to do. any help would be appreciated.



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Re: Gibson explorer pickup change
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2009, 02:16:35 PM »
Miracle men

Standard 4-conductor wiring

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Re: Gibson explorer pickup change
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2009, 02:32:23 PM »
what do you guys think of a Ceramic warpig in the bridge and in the neck a nailbomb?. i don't know much about the miracle man's but i liked sound clips of the warpig and the nailbomb in the neck.


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Re: Gibson explorer pickup change
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2009, 02:36:45 PM »
Too br00tal for the lighter stuff you want.

Almost too br00tal fort the heavier stuff you want.

Do not underestimate the power of the C-Pig.

Nailbomb neck would be good though.

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Re: Gibson explorer pickup change
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2009, 02:44:49 PM »
wow refreshing to know that, also is the wiring what i want possible. and would the splitting make a difference.

PS: do you own a miracle man / nailbomb ?

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Re: Gibson explorer pickup change
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2009, 02:52:12 PM »
Most....no, all of the sounds you want are humbuckers. Splitting wont do you much good. Tapping it will do you more good than splitting. Parallel would be great.

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What do you think ;)

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Re: Gibson explorer pickup change
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2009, 02:54:51 PM »
I'd really suggest the Painkiller. Paikiller + Explorer = amazing.

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Re: Gibson explorer pickup change
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2009, 03:01:23 PM »
thx, yeah i'am still quite a noob at pickups. choosing pickups is a tricky business because everyone has their own taste. but i'am just glad that i found a forum were people actually care about tone and know their stuff. also i like to see what is possible with pickup combinations and different wiring.

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Re: Gibson explorer pickup change
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2009, 03:12:01 PM »
I'm normally with MDV on these things, although bear in mind that I have less experience with different pickups than him (I'm a 1-guitar guy!). With that said, I immediately thought of painkillers when reading the first post. Would be interested to hear what Tim says.

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Re: Gibson explorer pickup change
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2009, 03:14:53 PM »
He didnt say nuthin 'bout mids and mentioned some pretty smooth-midded sounds.

Pk could work for some

but MM could work for all.

Dont think I didnt thunk PK, but I think this is MM. It ticks more of the boxes.

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Re: Gibson explorer pickup change
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2009, 04:12:10 PM »
hmm.. dont know... explorers are naturally dark and fat
I'd pick a painkiller for slayer/RECENT testament/death or a cold sweat for exodus, classic old school testament, 80's stuff and SPECIALLY Pantera  :D
the cold sweat harmonics are a bit less fat/pronounced and that's exactly a big part of its Dime sounding character
it's a very sharp, crunchy and aggressive pickup and was very overlooked for so long
my first choice for metal for most mahogany guitars
the miracle man is more bassy and modern sounding, but not like any of those bands, except recent Slayer and new Testament stuff
« Last Edit: April 17, 2009, 04:14:52 PM by Eric Hellstyle »
Riff Raff, Mules, Black Dog, VHII's, Cold Sweat

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Re: Gibson explorer pickup change
« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2009, 05:23:21 PM »
the opinion of what to get is quite divided. i wish there was a way to try them out in person instead of going the trail and error route. youtube clips and other sound samples isen't the best way to decide.

but there is a clip of a guy playing a les paul with a calibrated nailbomb set. and i thought the neck pickup was smoking but i don't know how it will react to my massive explorer which lacks the maple top. but anyway i'am thinking of getting the nailbomb in the neck so now i need a bridge pickup.

warpig --> too much power
painkiller --> some say awesome others say it won't do all of the things i want
miracle man --> most versatile for my wishes others say it will be too dark sounding
cold sweat --> according to the description of the bare knuckle site this pickup is more a hard rock pickup.

---> i should say that i don't like dimbags tone. i got his picture as an avater because i like the music and the way he plays. my favorite thrash metal tone is disciples of the watch but not the version of the orignal album but the re-recording on First Strike Still Deadly.

and i forgot to mention lamb of god as band during my first post.

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Re: Gibson explorer pickup change
« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2009, 05:40:55 PM »
A miracle mans never doing LoG convincingly. Nailbomb for that.

I need to re-hear some of these tones. Will comment again later.

Darth, new slayer, miracle man, really? I think not, sith lord!

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Re: Gibson explorer pickup change
« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2009, 05:45:51 PM »
Do not understimate cold sweats  :twisted:

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Re: Gibson explorer pickup change
« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2009, 06:08:10 PM »
the opinion of what to get is quite divided. i wish there was a way to try them out in person instead of going the trail and error route. youtube clips and other sound samples isen't the best way to decide.

but there is a clip of a guy playing a les paul with a calibrated nailbomb set. and i thought the neck pickup was smoking but i don't know how it will react to my massive explorer which lacks the maple top. but anyway i'am thinking of getting the nailbomb in the neck so now i need a bridge pickup.

warpig --> too much power
painkiller --> some say awesome others say it won't do all of the things i want
miracle man --> most versatile for my wishes others say it will be too dark sounding
cold sweat --> according to the description of the bare knuckle site this pickup is more a hard rock pickup.

---> i should say that i don't like dimbags tone. i got his picture as an avater because i like the music and the way he plays. my favorite thrash metal tone is disciples of the watch but not the version of the orignal album but the re-recording on First Strike Still Deadly.

and i forgot to mention lamb of god as band during my first post.

dime tone = solid state nad few mids
that's up yo your amp and settings
the cold sweat generally fits thrash and some crossover stuff better cause it's not as bassy as the miracle man and has more balanced mids
the miracle man is more like machine head or something
the painkiller will do a pretty good job, so will the cold sweat and miracle man
and saying that a pickup is "hard rock" shouldn't be anything bad, consdering 80's hard rock bands used exactly the same pickups as the thrash bands, which are mostly the same pickups the metal bands use today (duncan jb, distortion, custom, bill lawrences, dimarzio super distortion...) :lol:
the cold sweat is at least 90% as hot as a miracle man or painkiller and definitely the one that would balance better with the explorer usual tone and retain a bit more articulation, since it's not overloaded with mids or bass
it's just perfect for the practice what you preach thing  :D
I think a miracle man will be too modern, cause it's too growly and focused, which is great, but doesn't sound like what the things you mentioned, unless you want recent Slayer and Testament EMG voiced tones

my second choice would be the painkiller, which is voiced more like the stock 500t pickup
all the 3 have something in common with the 500t ceramic character (I had all of them and a 500t), but they all will be a huge improvement
comparing directly to the 500t I'd say:
miracle man: more growly on the low mids, more bass, tighter low end, way less center/upper mids, more piercing highs (but not shrill), easier harmonics, gets strangely bigger and more open the louder you set your amp, sounds darker on the lower strings, way brighter on the higher strings (like picking the strongest frequency and enhancing it a lot), similar output
painkiller: similar overall voicing, but absotelutely no mud through gain, way tighter bass, cleaner, not as grainy, more middy, better leads, stiffer response, a bit louder but not as "pushing hot"
cold sweat: similar low end to the painkiller (tighter than the 500t), but a bit warmer, less mids (but more than the miracle man), present and articulated midrange crunch (very grainy, a bit like the 500t thing, but without the harshness/mud), pretty nice non-shrill or spikey highs, bit less output than the others

they are all somewhat related
aggressive and very punchy, but with their own personal qualities

for your guitar and most of the bands you mentioned, I'd pick the cold sweat
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