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Nadz1lla

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Re: O....M.....G.... Axe FX?
« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2009, 10:07:13 PM »
Ah awesome! Thanks Nolly and Hunter...for making me have to start saving again....    :(


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Re: O....M.....G.... Axe FX?
« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2009, 08:39:56 AM »
i'm planning to get one but i started having a little suspect... the options are 1) paying it twice in europe 2) flying to the USA to buy one...
not what i expected... don't they ship to other countries?
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Re: O....M.....G.... Axe FX?
« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2009, 09:00:21 AM »
i'm planning to get one but i started having a little suspect... the options are 1) paying it twice in europe 2) flying to the USA to buy one...
not what i expected... don't they ship to other countries?

If you order direct from Fractal they won't ship it to Europe. That would be screwing over their sole EU distributor completely  :lol:
I imagine things will get better - the Axe-FX is getting featured in the guitar magazines and seems to be creating a genuine stir outside the internet community of guitarists, so hopefully Fractal/their distributor will step up to the plate and provide easier ways to buy their products.
On the other hand, with the £ to $ conversion being pretty uncompromising these days, perhaps they won't be able to do anything about the end prices - as a small boutique company, Fractal can't have particularly large profit margins on their products, so the trade price that their EU distributor is buying at probably isn't that low. Add on the fact that they have to pay shipping and import duties, and of course, want to make a profit themselves, there might not actually be that much room for them to lower their prices.

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Re: O....M.....G.... Axe FX?
« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2009, 10:20:15 AM »
Cliff himself has said that their profit margin is already pretty much minimal. I doubt the prices will change any time soon to be honest. But let's face it, most of us would pay it anyway, it's the tone that matters, not the moolah.  :lol:

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Re: O....M.....G.... Axe FX?
« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2009, 10:31:14 AM »
The price difference is from shipping, customs/VAT and retailer margin. Also the European distributor G66 install a better, silent fan as standard service, plus they are very helpful. They make a profit, but I don't think it's exaggerated.
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Re: O....M.....G.... Axe FX?
« Reply #20 on: April 24, 2009, 11:45:09 AM »
i'm always a bit perplexed when i see that something that costs little more than 1000 € is sold at 2000 €... if i bought it directly from the USA i'd pay not more than 50-70$ for the courier plus a 20% "ransom" after a month of wait in some custom office... so a pessimistic total of 1400 €. i don't think that any other country in the world has got taxes and custom policies as punishing as italy's. and that's what i, a private customer, would pay. of course distributors have better conditions, or there would be no sense in distribution.
so 600-700 € margin is not what i call a fair deal...
they do it because they've got the monopoly in europe.
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Re: O....M.....G.... Axe FX?
« Reply #21 on: April 24, 2009, 12:09:49 PM »
i'm always a bit perplexed when i see that something that costs little more than 1000 € is sold at 2000 €... if i bought it directly from the USA i'd pay not more than 50-70$ for the courier plus a 20% "ransom" after a month of wait in some custom office... so a pessimistic total of 1400 €. i don't think that any other country in the world has got taxes and custom policies as punishing as italy's. and that's what i, a private customer, would pay. of course distributors have better conditions, or there would be no sense in distribution.
so 600-700 € margin is not what i call a fair deal...
they do it because they've got the monopoly in europe.

Axe FX US Price: 1,799 $ => 1,360 €
Let's say with shipping: 1,400€
Customs/VAT (20%) =>1,680 €
New Fan + Installation (20 €) => 1,700€

Axe FX EU Price at G66: 1,599 €

I don't understand your problem or maybe am I making a mistake?
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Re: O....M.....G.... Axe FX?
« Reply #22 on: April 24, 2009, 12:54:05 PM »
Phroawrr! They do sound the bees knees.

Uh-oh, anyone else getting visions of Johnny taking an axe to his koch in order to improve his tone...
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Re: O....M.....G.... Axe FX?
« Reply #23 on: April 24, 2009, 01:41:32 PM »
i'm always a bit perplexed when i see that something that costs little more than 1000 € is sold at 2000 €... if i bought it directly from the USA i'd pay not more than 50-70$ for the courier plus a 20% "ransom" after a month of wait in some custom office... so a pessimistic total of 1400 €. i don't think that any other country in the world has got taxes and custom policies as punishing as italy's. and that's what i, a private customer, would pay. of course distributors have better conditions, or there would be no sense in distribution.
so 600-700 € margin is not what i call a fair deal...
they do it because they've got the monopoly in europe.

Axe FX US Price: 1,799 $ => 1,360 €
Let's say with shipping: 1,400€
Customs/VAT (20%) =>1,680 €
New Fan + Installation (20 €) => 1,700€

Axe FX EU Price at G66: 1,599 €

I don't understand your problem or maybe am I making a mistake?

no, my fault.
my hollow mumbling was based on two (one true, the other wrong) assumptions... the last time i gave a look to the fractal website the price for a standard axe-fx was 1.499.95$. i did not calculate the actual conversion in euros, was just guessing...
anyway nolly was talking about the ultra while i was talking about the normal unit, so i thought that 2000 € was tre price for a 1.499$ axe-fx...

fortunately i was wrong, i can still think about one of those... :)
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Re: O....M.....G.... Axe FX?
« Reply #24 on: April 24, 2009, 07:40:28 PM »
Phroawrr! They do sound the bees knees.

Uh-oh, anyone else getting visions of Johnny taking an axe to his koch in order to improve his tone...

An extension more than a circumcision I think Andy!  :P I was also thinking of the new Koch, but I don't know....oh f*ck it why not!  :P

Those AxeFX are amazing though, the recording possibilitys are endless. Do you fancy one (AxeFX) Andy?
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Re: O....M.....G.... Axe FX?
« Reply #25 on: April 25, 2009, 12:48:41 PM »
Do you fancy one (AxeFX) Andy?

I'm not sure I do yet Johnny - not at the price it has to go for anyway...

It's mainly because I'm happy with what my current beast does.

I only went the modelling route because I couldn't use my valve amp in the flat, and I wanted a recording solution:

1. I tried a POD 2.0 one day, was stunned, and took it home immediately. After a while I started getting frustrated that it didn't have the clarity I was after.

2. So I tried a POD XT Live to see if the newer XT technology from Line6 was as better as some were saying - it was... bought it and used it for a couple of years (still do for bass work, and some of my old guitar patches - and when I want to record accoustic stuff with the Variaxes).

However, I started to get into older guitar sounds, and then I started using BKPs. Most of the tones I was heading for were Fender amps or JTM45, and I found the XT was failing me in two areas for these models - a) I wasn't able to get the warmth in "just breaking up tones" that I can hear in my head for these amps, b) all modellors (even the axe, I understand from a website or forum dedicated to them - I read an article that explained it to me) all modellors suffer from a resonance thing that can occur at certain frequencies, it all depends on how you're using it on where you might get it or whether it's in the way for you. For me it was happening on my Fender/JTM45 models, I could hear it as an extra harmonic one or two octaves below the note you were bending on the g-string - not a big deal, hardly notices in a mix, but...

So...

3. I tried a VOX Tonelab LE about a year ago (after some posts by MDV). It's not as flexible as the POD, but the amp tones I want seem more alive, vibrant, warm... and there are a lot less resonance issues with the VOX for me (a different player might find its the other way round).

Through my studio monitors, at a decent volume, the VOX feels and sounds like I remember a valve amp feeling and sounding, with no (as yet!) annoying issues... so for me, spending over a grand to "improve" things when I'm not actually suffering any problems at the moment doesn't seem to be the route forwards :roll:

Having said that - I haven't managed to get anything sensible (for me) out of the VOX's plexi and more "modern" models (nor out their vintage 4x12 cab model with 30W drivers!)... if my musical journey moves in a direction that requires such amps, then I will be wondering how to justify an axe to the missus :lol:

I'm more likely to go down the "low wattage valve amp just-for-the-hell-of-it" route first... but I'm resisting it (quite easily) at the moment :D
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Re: O....M.....G.... Axe FX?
« Reply #26 on: April 27, 2009, 08:36:39 AM »
meshuggah plug their axefx's straight into PA systems

I thought it was Line6 heads?

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Re: O....M.....G.... Axe FX?
« Reply #27 on: April 27, 2009, 09:53:45 AM »
i don't know in the past, but now they use axe-fx for sure
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