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[MDV]

You've never played a pig, how would you know :P

[Dr. Vic]

Well.....

Because Megadeth use very low gain. They never use massive amount of distorsion, so that the sound is crystal clear and you can ear ALL the notes played with ease.

And the Pig is the most gainy / distorted in the BKP range : Even if I haven't played it, with a DC 22K I suppose you are ready for an earthquake !

You say you can solve that while dialing your vol knob on the guitar and the gain on the amp, and once again (seriously this time) I am not going to contradict you on that, if you think it's the solution to nail all the tones wanted here, then it's surely the way to go.

I must be false (once again!  :wallbash:) but I always thought a pickup will give his best with the vol knob of the guitar on full position, and that rolling back the volume would prevent him to deliver his best result (or should I say deliver the goods!) while altering it's temper. 

To me it's like driving a Ferrari while always staying on the 1st gear. BUT once again I must be false...I never drived a Ferrari...and my vol knob are always full on, because always dialing knobs bore me to death !!  :lol:


     

[MDV]

Well.....

Because Megadeth use very low gain. They never use massive amount of distorsion, so that the sound is crystal clear and you can ear ALL the notes played with ease.

And the Pig is the most gainy / distorted in the BKP range : Even if I haven't played it, with a DC 22K I suppose you are ready for an earthquake !

You say you can solve that while dialing your vol knob on the guitar and the gain on the amp, and once again (seriously this time) I am not going to contradict you on that, if you think it's the solution to nail all the tones wanted here, then it's surely the way to go.

I must be false (once again!  :wallbash:) but I always thought a pickup will give his best with the vol knob of the guitar on full position, and that rolling back the volume would prevent him to deliver his best result (or should I say deliver the goods!) while altering it's temper. 

To me it's like driving a Ferrari while always staying on the 1st gear. BUT once again I must be false...I never drived a Ferrari...and my vol knob are always full on, because always dialing knobs bore me to death !!  :lol:


    

Specs are just indicators. Truth is in hearing.

[Bradock PI]

You want the truth, you can't handle the truth

On a second note the guitar tech who is fitting my RY really likes the WP they are capable of a huge working range far more versatile than he expected I think those and Nailbombs surprised him most.

[MDV]

He's right on both counts - far more versatile pickups than people (naming no names) give them credit for.

FAR more versatile.

But the specs say 22k, so they can only do bone-crushing metal.

[ericsabbath]

I sense a disturbance in the Force

the OP mentioned 4 types of tone
the warpig is great for 1 of them, fine for the others
the painkiller and cold sweat are great for 3 of them, ok for the other
:tin:

[Dr. Vic]

He's right on both counts - far more versatile pickups than people (naming no names) give them credit for.

FAR more versatile.

But the specs say 22k, so they can only do bone-crushing metal.

No, this is a too much shortcut, too simplistic, !

 :? Am I in the no named ones ?  :D
 
You know I don't think that the Pig is not versatile, right ?
If Franck666 want to know about the versality and capabilities of the Pig, he has all the informations there
http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=16921.0

As you know I said there that I saw and heard french jazzmen playing with the Pig and the result was stunning ! But this is off topic !

You seem not to have read my last post from end to end....What I said is that I thought - but maybe I was wrong - that the WP was too much for the needs here, especially in that guitar (not that it couldn't do it), and that all this arsenal wasn't worth the 'sacrifice' of always dialing the vol knob to go on the sounds wanted...

And yes, the 22K are too beefy for both Megadeth and Metallica (just not necessary), and as for the sabbath, I heard some clips covering their songs in the player section played with a Riff Raff !. And the result wasn't that bad...

Now you're right :

Specs are just indicators. Truth is in hearing.

So there you go : Megadeth played with a Pig !
http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=14485.0

The clip is good quality, good playing, good everything.
So yes the Pig can do it. The leads part and the chorus lines are almost excellent.

BUT, on the main rythm figure of the song, the Pig says all it's personality and voicing :
There is too much grind / growl in it's voice. It is also too dark and far too loud and fat in the bass.

I haven't played the Pig but I know Megadeth, and this sound is not the signature of this band, imo.

But Yes the Pig can do it...that way.  :P
 

[Dr. Vic]

I sense a disturbance in the Force

the OP mentioned 4 types of tone
the warpig is great for 1 of them, fine for the others
the painkiller and cold sweat are great for 3 of them, ok for the other
:tin:

^+100 on that. 3 lines that sum up my last (long) post !

[MDV]

New forum rule - if youre gonna talk about pickups you havent played, you have to qualify your opinion as such and defer to those that have. Just common sense really. Specs arent the whole story, clips arent the whole strory, teh only way to get the whole story is playing them :P

So, to recap

1 Tim knows his pickups, do what he says first
2 If darth hellstyle and I agree, then we're right unless in violation of rule 1
3 If you havent played the pickup, your opinion doesnt count if in contradiction with someone that has

!

Vic, I dont care about the clip, I have an A5 warpig right here that I can get megadeth sounds out of with the cunning use of the controls on my amp.

Yes, the PK and CS are better for the early deth and tallica, but they arent 'ok' for sabbath - they're much too sharp and tight. The WP is the best for all 3, IMO, followed by the nailbomb.

[MDV]

wtf?

Just heard the megadeth clip - its detuned 1/2 step and mixed with a tonne of low end and recorded with much more gain than the original.

These things have to be taken into account - was he trying to replicate the tone or make a heavier version?

[Dr. Vic]

New forum rule - if youre gonna talk about pickups you havent played, you have to qualify your opinion as such and defer to those that have. Just common sense really. Specs arent the whole story, clips arent the whole strory, teh only way to get the whole story is playing them :P

So, to recap

1 Tim knows his pickups, do what he says first
2 If darth hellstyle and I agree, then we're right unless in violation of rule 1
3 If you havent played the pickup, your opinion doesnt count if in contradiction with someone that has

Yes I really agree with all that. Refering to your recap number 1 I just said here earlier that I also asked Tim sometimes ago for a pup to play 'deth and 'tallica and linkin Park (not sabbath though) in a mahogany bodied guitar, and he advise me NOT to go for the WP because it was an absolute OVERKILL, for me, for the tones I was after.

And as I said earlier you know the Pig better than me, AND you are far more experienced than me which is why your advices have highly to be taken into account, far more than than the vague pointers I put here to help on the tones I like to play. 
PDT_002

[MDV]

Word, thanks, just sayin'.

To reiterate - I agree that the PK (especially) and the CS are better for the old thrash, but they cant do the sabbath nearly as well as the pig can do the thrash. Its not in its power, you dont need to use all of it, its in its voicing. Thats my recommendation, and why, with the nailbomb as backup. Thinking about it now I may recommend the NB more higly for this, but alas I dont have it now (I most recently played it in a customers guitar a short while ago), so it partly falls victim to rule 3 there, but if you want thrash and more organic tones as well, its a superb choice.

For your choices theres more common ground in the tone and its easier - I'd have said a painkiller would do all of them (if you scoop your amp out for the linkin park).

[Dr. Vic]

It was interesting (and also a funny  :mrgreen:) to converse with you on that thread. I knew that it was necessary for the debate here to 'force' you to give more details on your recommendations (that is certainly not the right word but you get the idea, Jedi), so much so that Franck666 will have now all the info possible to make the best choice between the possible options.

Thanks for the input anyway !  :good: