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Took my guitar for a pro setup
« on: April 30, 2009, 06:07:03 PM »
After I got back to uni after the easter holidays I realised that my Edwards felt pretty weird compared to my Ibanez at home.
The action was loads higher on the lower strings than the higher strings, there was probably too much relief in the neck, but somehow i was still getting a fair bit of fret buzz.
For this reason I decided to give the guitar a bit of a set-up. I set it up according to recommended medium action measurements I found on the internet.
Gap between string and fret at 12th fret:
Low E: 6/64"
High E: 4/64"
and i set the truss rod with a bit less relief than before, but probably still too much.

This was rubbish. loads of fret buzz. I wanted to take it to Feline but it was a bit of a mission away and I don't have money to burn on travelling so I asked around and was recommended the Guitar Spares and Repairs shop in Birmingham just next to 'Reverb' (ex-Sound Control).
Me and my mate rob took our guitars down there for a set-up on Saturday, I was quoted £40 for a set-up (I provided strings - D'Addario 11s), and I thought that that seemed pretty reasonable so I went for it.

Today I went to get the guitar back. It plays beautifully - what he seems to have done is polish the frets, straighten the neck more and lower the action more. As you can imagine this did not cure the buzz. In fact the buzz is a lot worse than it's ever been on this guitar; it's not being amplified but it is annoying me all the same (I'm ridiculously anal about noises and vibrations that shouldn't be there). I know I play extremely hard and the guy that set it up told me this and said that playing like that I'm bound to get buzz even with 14s on it. I thought fair enough and figured I'd try to improve my technique at home. Handed over the money and left.

Few hours later and I'm feeling severely ripped off - none of my other guitars buzz like this. It buzzes even when I play lightly in some places. Perhaps it needs a fret dress, but being quite a high quality guitar and also quite new I wouldn't have expected it to need a fret dress so soon, but if it does then why didn't the guy give it one? The one thing I asked him to fix when I took it in was the bloody fret buzz and he's just made it loads worse. The job he's done I could easily have done myself in less than an hour and I've paid £40 for it.

The guy in the shop seemed like a really nice bloke, very knowledgeable, loads of business (about 3 people came in to this little out-of-town shop with guitars that needed fixing in the 10 minutes or so that I was there), and he came very highly recommended by a number of people (apparently he's the go-to guy in Brum for set-ups). I don't know what to think;
do I have a really odd picking technique?
does the guitar just need the frets sorting?
did I get ripped with a bad-quality job?
are my standards just too high?
is my Ibanez just amazing?
I don't remember any other guitars I've owned or played being so prone to fret buzz, so either way I'm going to take the guitar back in tomorrow and be nice and explain how I'm feeling.

What do you lot think?
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Re: Took my guitar for a pro setup
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2009, 06:12:57 PM »
If you play heavy, the strings rattle.  Not a lot you can do about it.

What you may need is a medium to high action and a reasonable amount of neck relief.  This seems to work best for me, as I play heavy too.

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Re: Took my guitar for a pro setup
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2009, 06:24:36 PM »
If the neck is straight and it plays smoothly , I would just raise the action at the bridge till it cleans up enough

New and newish guitars can need fret attention - the wood of the neck/fingerboard does tend to shrink a bit in the first year and as a result uneven-ness can occur.
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Re: Took my guitar for a pro setup
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2009, 06:25:51 PM »
take your action up or put some relief in it, low action and a straight neck is hard to get right without buzz

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Re: Took my guitar for a pro setup
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2009, 06:29:24 PM »
A setup is a very personal thing. There are guide lines but no rules.

The guy who's doing the setup should know as much as possible about the player. The tech should ask:

What do you like about the guitar as it is and what don't you like, what do you want changed?

What style of music do you play?

How do you play?

And  a setup is always a compromise between playability and tone.

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Re: Took my guitar for a pro setup
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2009, 06:31:43 PM »
take your action up or put some relief in it, low action and a straight neck is hard to get right without buzz

Depends on where the buzz is
If it is mainly inthe low area - frets 1-5 more relief will be welcome

if it is frets 10-17 then I would keep the neck straight and raise the strings

If you must adjust the relief:
Take a marker and mark where the truss rod is to start off with
That way you can always go back to where you started

Also - shiny frets are not the same as frets that have been levelled  first, recrowned and finally polished
They will feel better when shiny , but will do nothing for uneven frets
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Re: Took my guitar for a pro setup
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2009, 06:37:18 PM »
take your action up or put some relief in it, low action and a straight neck is hard to get right without buzz

Depends on where the buzz is
If it is mainly inthe low area - frets 1-5 more relief will be welcome

if it is frets 10-17 then I would keep the neck straight and raise the strings


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Re: Took my guitar for a pro setup
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2009, 07:07:44 PM »
If the neck is straight and it plays smoothly , I would just raise the action at the bridge till it cleans up enough
I did this and I feel a bit happier - i just raised it by about 1/32" on either side.
There's still buzz but it's decreased slightly and it feels a bit better to play.
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Re: Took my guitar for a pro setup
« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2009, 07:08:00 PM »
Have you tried taking it back and seeing if he would adjust it for you? I know the tech I took mine to is happily makes adjustments if anything is not how you want it.

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Re: Took my guitar for a pro setup
« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2009, 07:12:34 PM »
I had to raise my action loads after the setup I got, it was just too low and didnt feel right to play. Does feel nicer since he did the fret dress etc though.. Still buzzes a bit but it doesnt bother me.

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Re: Took my guitar for a pro setup
« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2009, 07:25:59 PM »
Have you tried taking it back and seeing if he would adjust it for you? I know the tech I took mine to is happily makes adjustments if anything is not how you want it.
I plan to :)
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Re: Took my guitar for a pro setup
« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2009, 09:12:53 PM »
I had a problem with fretbuzz on an Ibanez 'sabre' years ago and the tech said it was best it could be and I had to live with it.  After that I played with the action on that Ibanez myself and found that the way most techs setup guitars is to have the action low so it feels easy to play.  I've found that although its easier to play with a lower action, the guitar doesn't resonate in the same way and the vibrations are choked.  Consequently, I've learnt to play with a higher action and my tone is all the better for it.


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Re: Took my guitar for a pro setup
« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2009, 11:15:03 PM »
i have my doubts about some 'pros' i must say... i think i do a better job than some of them myself on alot of things. but theres some stuff i'm still not confident to touch!

a good tech is to be treasured. not being able to perform a basic setup is a bad sign.
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Re: Took my guitar for a pro setup
« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2009, 11:20:53 PM »
Usually they are fair enough and will let you take it back for a few tweaks as the neck settles, you could try that approach or point out that he has really missed the mark.

Not what you want to hear, but Feline did a (very!) little bit of a setup on my Gibson when it was having work done on it, and my other guitar (set up by the same person that did your Ibanez presumably) simply does not compare.
I am really quite convinced by Jonathan's work.

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Re: Took my guitar for a pro setup
« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2009, 11:26:19 PM »
Are you sure that you read the sign right may be one letter was different


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