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AndyR

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Yardbirds singing together
« on: May 10, 2009, 03:23:08 PM »
Here's my latest effort on my Boss Micro-BR.

I think I might have pushed the technology to its limits :lol:

It's quite an old song called "If We Should Sing Together". I remember starting writing it 5-10 minutes after Manchester United won their famous European final with a couple of goals in the dying seconds of extra time ("How good it would be with moments to go...") - so footie fans might know how long ago that is... (I don't!)

We did rehearse it at the time in my last band, but I "retired" shortly after that, so it never got used live. I found it in the old song box the other week and relearnt it and polished it up a bit (the most important change was rearranging chorus lyrics so that it ended up with a title...)

All the guitars on this recording are played with my Yardbirded Fender Japan Tele Custom. There's neck and neck/bridge stuff in the verses, the more aggressive tones are all bridge, I think. The guitars are playing through a mixture of Fender models and Marshall JTM45 models on my VOX Tonelab.

The "lead" at the end is heavily compressed. It wasn't going to be there at all originally, but I wanted something on the fade, and the vocals fading didn't work for me. So I recorded the guitar this morning, and then while I was struggling to fit it in the mix, I finally found out (accidentally) how to get "that" tele sound! A whole bunch of compression!

The organ is a Roland VK-8M module. Unfortunately I've only got a hammer-action piano keyboard to drive it (and I don't play keys very often), BUT! no midi or cutting/pasting was involved here, all played realtime - so I'm quite pleased with mesself :lol: (I only learnt to play a few years ago  :?).

The vocals are all me (couldn't convince the missus I needed another voice for "Ahas" and "Ooos"). There are some issues on the lead vocals - there's a fair amount of "dry mouth" clicking noises showing up if you concentrate, which I didn't notice until I was mixing and mastering. I could export all the raw tracks to a DAW and clean them up but I've had enough of working on this one!

The bass is my trusty old Variax, imitating a Precision, through a POD XT Live imitating a Marshall Super Bass. The bass-part is actually the original guide track, but I couldn't be bothered to replace it. There are issues, but... oh well (if you think you can hear any "vocal popping", it's actually the bass-part :lol:).

The Yardbirds - I'm very impressed with them. I've had to tame some of the "shimmer" recorded on some of the clean parts to get the song to mix ok - there are some stunning sounds hiding in this recording, but they just wouldn't fit in the finished track. The Yardbirds have proved themselves really versatile during this project - clean, dirty, strumming, wotever - at the moment I'm of the opinion that if I had to ditch all guitars except one, this is the one I'd have to keep for recording purposes...  If I could do metal, I'm sure I could do it with this guitar :lol:

Anyway, I had fun, hope you like it...
« Last Edit: May 10, 2009, 04:33:29 PM by AndyR »
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Re: Yardbirds singing together
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2009, 06:50:13 PM »
Good stuff Andy - the very, very first few seconds made me think of James Bond! The game you are referring to was in May 1999.
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Re: Yardbirds singing together
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2009, 08:13:24 PM »
That's immensly cool - great tone from the Yardbirds - absolutely perfect pop-rock tone - and such a pro recording from such limited equipment, its really impressive!

What's the drumming?  Real or - can't tell me that's the BR's internal?
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Re: Yardbirds singing together
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2009, 08:36:13 PM »
Some really nice tones there, and seems really really good to me production wise :) Not really my kind of song but the playing and tones were excellent :)

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Re: Yardbirds singing together
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2009, 04:44:18 AM »
:D I like it a lot!

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Re: Yardbirds singing together
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2009, 09:03:38 AM »
Thanks guys :D

Yep, it's the preset drums in the BR!! - you've got a bunch of "styles" eg Rock1, Rock2, etc, etc, and within each style a set of patterns: Intro, Verse1, Fill 1, Verse 2, Fill 2, Ending. You mix and match these to create your song arrangement. There are a variety of drum kits, I tend to use only one, the "Room" kit, and then use EQ, compression and reverb to make them sound like I want.

Glad you like the guitar tones - I was a bit worried that they'd ended up "too mellow". The clean parts are a lot more vibrant and "pop", with quite a nice top end, than they appear here. But I ended up having to tame the whole mix at their expense. Possibly I recorded them too bright in the first place.

The only issue with recording something this complex on the BR is the amount of early "submix" bounces you have to do - you're making final mix decisions before you've recorded later parts. I've got all the early separate tracks (in earlier copies of the song project), with notes of all the mixes, so I could go back now and rework it - but it will take ages involving WAV export/import between songs. And to be honest, I'm not sure whether I'd end up with something noticably better using the basic tracks I've recorded.

As usual with the BR, I have learnt a hell of a lot about recording again. Because of the restrictions (it's like an old 4 track cassette recorder, with 8 virtual sets, but bouncing is digital so no loss on bounces) it really forces you to think about the arrangement and the final song all the time.

The most encouraging thing for me this time has been finally finding a process that enables me to get my vocals down consistently in such a way that I can actually concentrate on singing. This has been such a problem for me for years. And seeing as really I regard myself as a singer/songwriter rather than anything else, recording vocals in a relaxing and effective way is kinda the most important bit!

Basically I've managed to conquer a dbx compressor/gate unit I've owned for some time. Also my mic placement changed this time after watching film of Agnetha/Anifrid doing Abba vocals in the studio(!). Sadly, I need gating because of where I have to record - to cut out the neighbours, the street, the floorboards, and the missus in the next room; and I need the compressor because I have quite a powerful voice with a wide dynamic range. (By the way, I've found that the other technique instead of compression on vocals, ie "riding the fader" during playback/mixing, is not an option on the BR - first it's very fiddly for fast volume changes, doable but prone to mistakes, and second it puts digital clicks on smooth tones like vocal vowels :roll:)

The James Bond bit - that's quite amusing. It's done its job then :D - it only happens in the first four bars, the D-Eb-E-F note progression over a G is changed to D-Eb-E-Eb ("James Bond"). I did this to disguise a similarity to what I believe my original source chord sequence was 10 years ago :lol:. The minute I did it I thought "James Bond" as well, I actually even considered putting the signature guitar part there as well - the yardbird bridge is perfect for that danga-dang-dang, dang-dang part...
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Re: Yardbirds singing together
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2009, 07:46:17 PM »
HI Andy,

Nice guitar playing and some great tones you got there.  Got to love the Yardbird pickups so sweet and mellow.

Keep them coming especially if it celebrating Manchester Uniteds Glory.

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Re: Yardbirds singing together
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2009, 09:12:25 PM »
Sounds very pro

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Re: Yardbirds singing together
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2009, 10:57:26 PM »
Pretty damn cool- you certainly have a voice there Andy. The sort of track I'd have loved to play bass on.
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Re: Yardbirds singing together
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2009, 03:44:25 AM »
Good stuff Andy - the very, very first few seconds made me think of James Bond! The game you are referring to was in May 1999.

Yeah, I see the James Bond there.  But we need more clips with the Yardbirds!  I like your voice too, fit in with the song, or did the song fit in with the voice?   Great job

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« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2009, 08:48:17 AM »
Pretty damn cool- you certainly have a voice there Andy. The sort of track I'd have loved to play bass on.

I was actually thinking of you when I was working out and recording the guide bass a couple of weeks ago, I wondered whether you'd look at the bass slot same as I did on this one. It's one of those songs that a certain kind of bassist goes "oh yeah, I'll enjoy this one" - just enough challenges, "artistically satisfying", and not too hard to play once you've figured out what you want to do :D

But we need more clips with the Yardbirds!  I like your voice too, fit in with the song, or did the song fit in with the voice?   Great job

Yeah, we definitely need more yardbird clips. I'm figuring out what to do next - possibly something with my MQs, but I've got a couple more old songs I want to demo and the yardbirds just seem so "appropriate" and versatile.

On the voice fitting the song or vice versa - it was written when I was writing excluisively for performance in a specific band, and we rehearsed it a bit at full volume, not like this, but enough to learn how to sing it... that's probably why the two fit quite well. When (if) I write nowadays, I tend to concentrate on the song, so I sometimes write stuff I can't really sing  :?  :lol:
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