Holydiver vs. JB?

[Antag]

How old is your NOS JB, Antag? 

Hard to say.  The guitar was built '94-'95, but the JB was supposedly much older than that.  The dealer I got it from told me it had an "old stock" JB.  I'm convinced it sounds different to every other JB I've had (& I've had at least seven of them).

Actually it's just occurred to me that NOS is the wrong term.  "New old stock" is something built new to replicate an old thing.  Mine actually is an old one :)

I've never been clear when the "old JB"/"new JB" demarcation line is supposed to be.

AFAIK, the old ones date from the early 80s.  I didn't actually hear about the new/old JB thing until years after I got the guitar.  At the time I had just assumed the "old stock" thing meant that it had sat on a shelf somewhere & had been made before they stamped Seymour Duncan on the pickups.  Of course I soon realised that it sounded a little different :)

[Roobubba]

Actually it's just occurred to me that NOS is the wrong term.  "New old stock" is something built new to replicate an old thing.  Mine actually is an old one :)

Really? I thought 'new old stock' means something that's new (not been used before) but old (ie been sat on a shelf for a while). Is this not the case? Maybe these should be termed ONS: old new stock, to clear up any potential confusion on the matter  :roll:

Roo

[Antag]

Actually it's just occurred to me that NOS is the wrong term.  "New old stock" is something built new to replicate an old thing.  Mine actually is an old one :)

Really? I thought 'new old stock' means something that's new (not been used before) but old (ie been sat on a shelf for a while). Is this not the case? Maybe these should be termed ONS: old new stock, to clear up any potential confusion on the matter  :roll:

Roo

Well, that's how Fender custom shop use the term - I'm fairly sure the "NOS" custom shop Fenders haven't actually been sitting in a cupboard for 50+ years... :)

[MDV]

Its my understanding that NOS is stuff thats made exactly the same way as it once was. Same materials, design, method, the lot. Supposedly identical to old, but new.

[MDV]

That could be wrong of course, Roos definitions sounds quite good too.

[Philly Q]

Actually it's just occurred to me that NOS is the wrong term.  "New old stock" is something built new to replicate an old thing.  Mine actually is an old one :)

Really? I thought 'new old stock' means something that's new (not been used before) but old (ie been sat on a shelf for a while). Is this not the case?

I thought the same as you, Roo.  Isn't that what NOS valves (for example) are all about?  The companies that made them don't exist any more, in some cases.

Wouldn't something built new to replicate an old thing just be called a replica or reissue?

Well, that's how Fender custom shop use the term - I'm fairly sure the "NOS" custom shop Fenders haven't actually been sitting in a cupboard for 50+ years... :)

Ah yes, but they're pretend "NOS".  They're just reissues, but you're supposed to think they look like an old guitar that's been sitting unused in its case under someone's bed for 40 years!  :)

[ericsabbath]

"NOS" (New Old Stock) is something sold as new (not used), but that it's from an old stock
not the same as "VOS"  (Vintage Original Specs), which is used for replicas and reissues with minimum spec changes

[ericsabbath]

an "old" JB should have a "JBJ" (JB Juarez) sticker or something, which means it was personally wound by Maricela Juarez (the woman behind everything Duncan for over 25 years  :lol:)

[Philly Q]

an "old" JB should have a "JBJ" (JB Juarez) sticker or something, which means it was personally wound by Maricela Juarez (the woman behind everything Duncan for over 25 years  :lol:)

Is that serious?  I'm pretty sure I've got one of those.

[Twinfan]

I've got one in my '87 Kramer Baretta  ;)

[dave_mc]

Really? I thought 'new old stock' means something that's new (not been used before) but old (ie been sat on a shelf for a while). Is this not the case?

Roo

that's the correct definition, as far as i'm aware. NOS valves, for example, are old valves made in the west, but which had never been sold (well, if the seller is honest, anyway :lol: ). They aren't new valves made to replicate them.

[Philly Q]

I'm not sure about this "JBJ" sticker thing.  I've also got a JB Trembucker which I probably bought around 1990/91.... and it has a "TB4J" sticker.  Surely Maricela Juarez didn't wind that one too?

[MDV]

"NOS" (New Old Stock) is something sold as new (not used), but that it's from an old stock
not the same as "VOS"  (Vintage Original Specs), which is used for replicas and reissues with minimum spec changes

One sees, cheers.

[Dr. Vic]

I think Antag is right :

AFAIK, the old ones date from the early 80s.  I didn't actually hear about the new/old JB thing until years after I got the guitar.  At the time I had just assumed the "old stock" thing meant that it had sat on a shelf somewhere & had been made before they stamped Seymour Duncan on the pickups.  Of course I soon realised that it sounded a little different :)

[ericsabbath]

I'm not sure about this "JBJ" sticker thing.  I've also got a JB Trembucker which I probably bought around 1990/91.... and it has a "TB4J" sticker.  Surely Maricela Juarez didn't wind that one too?

if it has a J, then she did
she still is the custom shop manager
seymour is just a salesman  :lol: