It's french and doesn't have a trussrod!

[Keven]

oh? i was always under the impression that flamed maple was harder than non figured maple.

[Zaned]

oh? i was always under the impression that flamed maple was harder than non figured maple.

In average, it's not as STIFF as non-figured maple.

-Zaned

[WezV]

but as long as its well selected its still more than suitable

[Lew]

I totally understand the truss rod concerns (I share them) but life's too short and apparantly there have been no returns in 20 years, my fav guitar(a classical)has no truss rod too :P

It's actually really nice not to have to worry about a truss rod, time will tell if it works out in the long run . The set-up is perfect with 9-46, I ussually use 10-46 but I'm not doing anything to change the setup untill I have to! It actually has a little bit of relief in the neck, it's not dead straight.

It's dead light too, like 6lb light.

Thanks for the comments :)

[Zaned]

I totally understand the truss rod concerns (I share them) but life's too short and apparantly there have been no returns in 20 years, my fav guitar(a classical)has no truss rod too :P

It's actually really nice not to have to worry about a truss rod, time will tell if it works out in the long run . The set-up is perfect with 9-46, I ussually use 10-46 but I'm not doing anything to change the setup untill I have to! It actually has a little bit of relief in the neck, it's not dead straight.

It's dead light too, like 6lb light.

Thanks for the comments :)

I wouldn't worry about it anyway :) And I'm not surprised that it has relief, on the contrary.

My strats neck on the other hand requires a little work every now and then. About once every 5-10 years, the neck needs to be pressed back to form (these are the words the luthier used), as the neck can bend on the first few frets. This is also where the normal truss rod takes effect. Well, the guitar was built in 1990 and I'm gonna have the procedure done in the following few months :) I'm the 3rd owner, the procedure has been done once already for this guitar.

The luthier also said that the non-trussrod design was an experiment, and he found out that some of the necks had to treated with the procedure I described above. He quit doing it before there would be too much future work for them. However, outside that procedure the necks work really well, and they don't have any iron colouring the tone. Just pure wood.

-Zaned

[MDV]

Thats a nice top

No truss though? I couldnt trust that.

[Dr. Vic]

No truss though? I couldnt trust that.

 :lol: what a pun !


here is an exerpt from the Vigier catalog you can download here :

http://www.vigierguitars.com/page/fiche_produit.php?id_prod=222&onglet=pdf


10/90 Neck System™ : This exclusive advanced concept of 10% carbon and 90% wood replaces the traditional metal truss rod with a dense carbon strip to reinforce the neck. Employed for over 20 years on all Vigier guitars and basses, this concept makes the neck strong and stable during climate change. To get a full sound, we never believed it was logical to drill a hole through a neck and then insert a rod of metal inside. Necks with the 10/90 System are solid, notes ring longer, and your sound is powerful and precise. Wood necks with truss rods are too flexible; they absorb the energy of the string and shorten sustain. Our 10/90 Neck System also contributes to tuning stability because with wood necks, the metal truss rod rubs and causes detuning problems while using the tremolo.

[MDV]

No truss though? I couldnt trust that.

 :lol: what a pun !


here is an exerpt from the Vigier catalog you can download here :

http://www.vigierguitars.com/page/fiche_produit.php?id_prod=222&onglet=pdf


10/90 Neck System™ : This exclusive advanced concept of 10% carbon and 90% wood replaces the traditional metal truss rod with a dense carbon strip to reinforce the neck. Employed for over 20 years on all Vigier guitars and basses, this concept makes the neck strong and stable during climate change. To get a full sound, we never believed it was logical to drill a hole through a neck and then insert a rod of metal inside. Necks with the 10/90 System are solid, notes ring longer, and your sound is powerful and precise. Wood necks with truss rods are too flexible; they absorb the energy of the string and shorten sustain. Our 10/90 Neck System also contributes to tuning stability because with wood necks, the metal truss rod rubs and causes detuning problems while using the tremolo.

I'm here all week.

Well, fair enough, but a composite neck built well does the same thing (stability and vibration transmission), add a double acting truss and you also have control over the relief.

Just sayin

[Dr. Vic]

I'm here all week. 

Yeah, cool ! I knew that  :D ! But for the rest, well don't know really..... I trust you on the double truss analysis    :lol:

 

[dave_mc]

I'd probably be considered anal but... I was sold it as a new guitar and was told the dings and scratches happened in the shop. I contacted Briggs himself and was informed it had been stolen - it wasn't the end of the world but I was a bit miffed I didn't get the story when I'd dropped 2 big ones on it.
It came to pass that it had in fact been M.I.A for anything up to a year (remember it was sold as a new guitar)... anyway when I restrung it the nut poped off the guitar, argh!
The tail piece studs were really lose as well and with tension on it leaned forward a fair bit.
It wouldn't stay in tune at all it just kept dropping half a tone with the lightest use - I restrung it again as I had alot of winds on the posts and thought that my bad stringing might be the issue. But again it still wouldn't stay in tune, a few strums and it would drop half a tone. I was just peed off at this point and cut my losses. The issues were def set-up/condition issues, Briggs make wicked sick guitars.

The shop were good about it though and took it back with out much bother, they were pretty eager to repair it but that wasn't working for me.

Probably all sounds a bit Alan Partridge :lol: but I expect certain things at this price point.

I wasn't 100% fussed on the pickups

Ye I bought it thinking that the bridge pickup could maybe do with a replacement when I get round to it, it'sok for high gain but its really pokey, not a big deal though. The guitar overall has a really nice tight midrange voice maybe because the necks a teeny bit longer than a Fender.
 
It has a really nice tight, mid-rangey articulate voice, maybe due to the slightly longer than Fender scale.
I played a Hamer Talledaga and Mon Elite there too and was really dissapointed with them they both had a really wooly muffled tone, shame as I've really loved the Hamers I've owned before.

i don't think you're being anal at all, i agree with you. Pretty much exactly what philly said. :)

I think the ones i tried with dimarzios had pretty low output pickups (I think I've tried your model, it's the ultra blues, right?), I didn't really like them as they got a bit wooly/muddy-sounding with high gain, and didn't sound all that amazing for the lower gain stuff either. but the Virtual Vintage noiseless "single coils" were pretty nice.

[Lew]

Yea the ultra blues, it's interesting you thought it sounded  wooly/muddy as part of my choice came down to it having a really tight and articulate voice under gain (test amp was a new evh). I directly compared it to a Hamer Talledega, Hamer Monaco Elite, Melancon T and two Briggs and with the exception of the single coil Melancon T it was the most defined and articulate.

[dave_mc]

that's possible. now that i remember, I think i liked the tone of the ultra blues best (other than the floyded one with duncans) out of the couple I tried.

[Lew]

To be honest Dimarzio have never been my thing but I'm going to see how it works getting recorded first, I think the pokeyness may work well in a full mix. If not I'll look at bkp  8)

[Lew]

I wouldn't worry about it anyway :) And I'm not surprised that it has relief, on the contrary.

My strats neck on the other hand requires a little work every now and then. About once every 5-10 years, the neck needs to be pressed back to form (these are the words the luthier used), as the neck can bend on the first few frets. This is also where the normal truss rod takes effect. Well, the guitar was built in 1990 and I'm gonna have the procedure done in the following few months :) I'm the 3rd owner, the procedure has been done once already for this guitar.

The luthier also said that the non-trussrod design was an experiment, and he found out that some of the necks had to treated with the procedure I described above. He quit doing it before there would be too much future work for them. However, outside that procedure the necks work really well, and they don't have any iron colouring the tone. Just pure wood.

-Zaned

Sounds interesting. I know Mcinturf did some experiments using carbon in maple he knew to be unstable and the wood still had its way regardless of the carbon  8)

[Lew]

that's possible. now that i remember, I think i liked the tone of the ultra blues best (other than the floyded one with duncans) out of the couple I tried.

oh just found out that the singles are actually stacked buckers, thought they were quiet  :lol: