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hamfist

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Re: Power Scaling question
« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2009, 05:23:14 PM »
My hands-on experience with power-scaling is the JTM45 that Martin W built for me with it installed.

That amp sounded exactly the same at genuine low, home volumes as it did fully cranked.

I would thoroughly recommend it. Cost is the only negative issue as far as I can see.  I certainly did not perceive any of TF's "fizzies" at low volume.

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Re: Power Scaling question
« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2009, 05:28:53 PM »
Fair enough - must just be my bat ears playing up then!

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Re: Power Scaling question
« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2009, 05:42:42 PM »
If you're getting fizz creeping in on most amps, you haven't reduced the DC control enough, or there's some other problem. For example, in some installations, I've seen a dual-gang pot used for both Power Scaling and Drive Compensation, which is a bit crude, but shows how much the DC needs to be reduced, i.e. nearly as much as the PS.

Dave, I thought that the improved DC control I fitted to the Deluxe had erradicated any fizziness? Also using the lower gain input? The DC on your amp will stop the fizziness, and when I tried it, both with a guitar and on the scope, it was gone at all but unrealistic volume levels (those where you could barely hear the amp over the strings.)
A problem specific to the Deluxe is it's crude preamp, phase inverter and volume/tone controls which are of course, part of the essential character of the amp, but make it harder to find settings that don't sound mushy, on the unscaled amp, and fizzy on the scaled amp. As you know the volume goes  OFF/STILL OFF/ALMOST EVERYTHING/TOO MUCH  before it gets to 8 o'clock!
I thought that we'd shifted the small amount of fizziness to well below anyone's realistic practise level?

If it's still a problem, let me know and we'll have a look.  :)
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Re: Power Scaling question
« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2009, 05:44:31 PM »
thanks, martin. Just out of interest, how much does it cost to add powerscaling (either to an existing amp, or to a build-from-scratch amp)? Maybe it varies depending on the amp, but a rough ballpark figure would be cool.

From £100 on a simple cathode-biased amp to £250 on a largish fixed-bias amp that requires an external mounting box and a cooling fan.
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Re: Power Scaling question
« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2009, 06:35:16 PM »
I thought that we'd shifted the small amount of fizziness to well below anyone's realistic practise level?

If it's still a problem, let me know and we'll have a look.  :)

You're right mate - it is only when it's very low and it doesn't affect my enjoyment of the amp at all  :)

I don't regularly use it that low and you're right, it could probably be dialed out with the compensation pot.

So basically, I know nothing.  Listen to Martin and Hamfist  :lol:

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Re: Power Scaling question
« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2009, 06:40:21 PM »
From £100 on a simple cathode-biased amp to £250 on a largish fixed-bias amp that requires an external mounting box and a cooling fan.

thanks. :)

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Re: Power Scaling question
« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2009, 07:44:07 PM »
So basically, I know nothing.  Listen to Martin and Hamfist  :lol:

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Re: Power Scaling question
« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2009, 07:51:17 PM »
thanks, martin. Just out of interest, how much does it cost to add powerscaling (either to an existing amp, or to a build-from-scratch amp)? Maybe it varies depending on the amp, but a rough ballpark figure would be cool.
..mmm less than I thought

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Re: Power Scaling question
« Reply #23 on: June 28, 2009, 07:51:51 PM »
Cheers for all the responses guys! Very useful. Now, next question is if I wanted a power scaled amp that would cover or get close to the tones I like best (Hendrix, Frusciante, Mayer, Bonamassa) what should I go for?!?!?! Not looking for the sparkliest cleans you can imagine, as I like a ittle bit of grit with the cleans. Also need to cover gain levels up to classic rock.

Me thinks I'd better get selling my amp and other gear before getting really serious about it!
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Re: Power Scaling question
« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2009, 08:03:16 PM »
Cheers for all the responses guys! Very useful. Now, next question is if I wanted a power scaled amp that would cover or get close to the tones I like best (Hendrix, Frusciante, Mayer, Bonamassa) what should I go for?!?!?! Not looking for the sparkliest cleans you can imagine, as I like a ittle bit of grit with the cleans. Also need to cover gain levels up to classic rock.

Me thinks I'd better get selling my amp and other gear before getting really serious about it!

Hiwatt ;)

Gotta say that my bassman that Martin did covers all that clean Hendrix & Mayer sound & then pop a pedal infront to push it
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Re: Power Scaling question
« Reply #25 on: June 28, 2009, 08:17:15 PM »
Cheers for all the responses guys! Very useful. Now, next question is if I wanted a power scaled amp that would cover or get close to the tones I like best (Hendrix, Frusciante, Mayer, Bonamassa) what should I go for?!?!?! Not looking for the sparkliest cleans you can imagine, as I like a ittle bit of grit with the cleans. Also need to cover gain levels up to classic rock.

Me thinks I'd better get selling my amp and other gear before getting really serious about it!

Hiwatt ;)

Gotta say that my bassman that Martin did covers all that clean Hendrix & Mayer sound & then pop a pedal infront to push it

Have you posted pics of the Bassman? I assume it was a combo?
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Re: Power Scaling question
« Reply #26 on: June 28, 2009, 08:45:02 PM »
Cheers for all the responses guys! Very useful. Now, next question is if I wanted a power scaled amp that would cover or get close to the tones I like best (Hendrix, Frusciante, Mayer, Bonamassa) what should I go for?!?!?! Not looking for the sparkliest cleans you can imagine, as I like a ittle bit of grit with the cleans. Also need to cover gain levels up to classic rock.

I think a JTM45 with Power Scaling and a 2x12 with Greenbacks would be perfect  :)

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Re: Power Scaling question
« Reply #27 on: June 28, 2009, 08:47:32 PM »
Cheers for all the responses guys! Very useful. Now, next question is if I wanted a power scaled amp that would cover or get close to the tones I like best (Hendrix, Frusciante, Mayer, Bonamassa) what should I go for?!?!?! Not looking for the sparkliest cleans you can imagine, as I like a ittle bit of grit with the cleans. Also need to cover gain levels up to classic rock.

I think a JTM45 with Power Scaling and a 2x12 with Greenbacks would be perfect  :)

Greenbacks really are the perfect speakers for every Marshall built in the 60's AND 70's !!!!   (IMHO, of course).

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Re: Power Scaling question
« Reply #28 on: June 28, 2009, 08:57:24 PM »
Cheers for all the responses guys! Very useful. Now, next question is if I wanted a power scaled amp that would cover or get close to the tones I like best (Hendrix, Frusciante, Mayer, Bonamassa) what should I go for?!?!?! Not looking for the sparkliest cleans you can imagine, as I like a ittle bit of grit with the cleans. Also need to cover gain levels up to classic rock.

I think a JTM45 with Power Scaling and a 2x12 with Greenbacks would be perfect  :)

and the price is roughly?
I think I hate being indecisive.

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Re: Power Scaling question
« Reply #29 on: June 28, 2009, 09:09:10 PM »
Spot on Dave. See, you do know stuff!  :D

PM me for an exact price Ian, but you're looking at about £1300 ish. I might have a deal for you.
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