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Hi Fi/music player advice
« on: July 08, 2009, 12:18:56 AM »
Howdie folks, I need advice about music stuff.

I'm moving to a new house soon, and i want a good stereo/hi fi thingy. Looking for something to play my vinyls on, I've started a little collection and actually want to listen to the things. Basically I want something that plays CDs and vinyl records, and the option to plug a ipod in might be handy. Suitable for relaxing at home listenings, I'm not needing anything to be 'party loud'.

No idea about a budget, I have absolutely no experience in the hi fi area, give me suggestions but nothing to extravagant. So BKP-ers, what do i need?
Mississippi Queens, Holydiver.

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Re: Hi Fi/music player advice
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2009, 04:03:23 AM »
Rega P2 turntable ... decent cartridge (even a Sumiko Pearl would be okay) ... Creek or NAD phono stage ... Arcam Solo Music ... Arcam rDock ... loudspeakers of choice. That will certainly get the job done.

The Arcam solo is a CD player/amp. The Rega is affordable and a very decent belt drive table. The rDock will allow 2 way communication between your iPod and the hifi.

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Re: Hi Fi/music player advice
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2009, 09:24:31 AM »
Been checking out what you recommended Ben, and hells they be expensive.

Am I really looking to spend upwards of £1000 for a CD player/amp? Right now I'm really looking for something that I can sit in my living room and say 'that'll do!' instead of getting a loan and being blown away.
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Re: Hi Fi/music player advice
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2009, 09:40:53 AM »
I asked Ben once about turntables and phono stages and he told me it was basically a waste of time spending less than a grand on just those. I do believe you have to spend rather a lot before you get to decent, though.

I've been looking at Rega stuff after a few hifi shops recommended them though. Interested in this thread.

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Re: Hi Fi/music player advice
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2009, 10:11:40 AM »
:lol: well Ben is known for his expensive tastes!

I would try over at the What Hi Fi forum, will probably get a more suitable recommendation I think. All I will say from my limited experience is that I love Mordaunt Short loudspeakers. Got a pair of MS25i's at uni and they sound awesome - big bass with a huge sound, yet loads of clarity and it doesnt sound harsh.

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Re: Hi Fi/music player advice
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2009, 10:53:29 AM »
I always plugged in my computer/MP3 player directly into my amp.  Got a lead with a phono sockets on one end and a headphone jack on the other.  Served me alright for years.

Got a Denon PMA 250SE amp which has served me well for years now but I'm thinking of upgrading as I need something with a little more AHHHHH.  You can pick them up really cheap now, but they need to have a phono card in for pre-amping a turntable.  They didn't come with these as standard to keep the costs down.

Just bought some TDL RTL2 speakers which are an absolute steal for the £50 mark (but this is why I'm changing the amp as they need a bit more of a kick in the arse to get them going - perfectly acceptible as they are, but I just want more  :D)

Don't know much about turntables but I hear Dual are fairly good for the money.  What ever you get, just make sure you can still get cartiridges/needles for them.
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Re: Hi Fi/music player advice
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2009, 11:09:53 AM »
Rather than suggestions, general advice

Priority of gear, in my experience.
- Speakers are by far the most important thing (along with where you place them)
- Amp is next, with speaker-amp matching being a very big deal indeed
- Source is last - theres enough variation in them that you can have a source good enough that the rest of the setup doesnt do it justice, its probably most important to just not spend so much that you overshoot this point (and its kinda hard to judge that point).

As far as amps go, my NAD C352 is great, but recently discontinued. I think the new one, whatever its called, is just a tiny bit different and rather a lot more expensive. I just got hold of an OLD (20yrs +) rotel and its really crisp, but warm, organic and lush (but a bit slow and flabby, which may be its age, either in component drift or older design); I dread to think how good the stuff they're making now is.

CD player wise I use an arcamCD73, and its quite fantastic, but I only get the full goodness of it through my Adam A7s & sub 8; nothing else I have can represent the detail its capable of (B&WDM602 S2s, Eltax Liberty 5+, JBL controls and KEF C40s are all insufficient to various degrees). My other setup has an Awia XC005, which works just as well through the same stuff (but shows its inferiority through the adams). Speaker wise, I just listed the ones I have, and its really a matter of taste; they all have strengths and weaknesses and different characters, but getting ones that can produce what you want to hear is a must, and your choice of speaker will make the single biggest difference to your sound (imo).

I have no clue whatsoever about turntables. 
« Last Edit: July 08, 2009, 11:11:42 AM by MDV »

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Re: Hi Fi/music player advice
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2009, 12:05:26 PM »
That's interesting MDV.

I was always told that you should start off with the best CD player (or source) and work from there.  I think the theory is that if you've got a good amp and speakers, then you're amplifying a bad signal and it'll never sound good.

Still, I've taken advice from idiots before and could well be talking out of my backside.  :lol:
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Re: Hi Fi/music player advice
« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2009, 12:11:20 PM »
Well, a great amp and speakers can show how bad a bad source is, but having tried many sources from stock soundcards to mid-high cd players, amps from creative 5.1 cr@ppiness to the nad and rotel, speakers from stock one box cr@p to the adams and most points in between on all three counts and those are my observations

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Re: Hi Fi/music player advice
« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2009, 01:42:07 PM »
Hey ToneMonkey do you still have those Celestion speakers you were wanting to get rid of? I still havent got round to emailing KEF about replacement drivers, got sidetracked by holiday and other stuff :oops: If you still have em I'm still interested!

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Re: Hi Fi/music player advice
« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2009, 02:27:27 PM »
Afraid they've joined my DJ mate to go with the other 8 he has in his front room (I wouldn't want to be his neighbour).  With the baby on the way, things haven't been hanging around long as we're trying to get the house sorted.  Sorry dude.
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Re: Hi Fi/music player advice
« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2009, 02:36:43 PM »
Rather than suggestions, general advice

Priority of gear, in my experience.
- Speakers are by far the most important thing (along with where you place them)
- Amp is next, with speaker-amp matching being a very big deal indeed
- Source is last - theres enough variation in them that you can have a source good enough that the rest of the setup doesnt do it justice, its probably most important to just not spend so much that you overshoot this point (and its kinda hard to judge that point).
I disagree. Source is always first in importance. There are ratios that should be observed, though. A $20k CD player into a $1k integrated amp is a total waste.

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Re: Hi Fi/music player advice
« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2009, 02:44:18 PM »
Afraid they've joined my DJ mate to go with the other 8 he has in his front room (I wouldn't want to be his neighbour).  With the baby on the way, things haven't been hanging around long as we're trying to get the house sorted.  Sorry dude.

No problems, my fault for being so slow :P

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Re: Hi Fi/music player advice
« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2009, 02:48:27 PM »
One important thing to remember:

There are literal MOUNTAINS of sh!t out there masquerading as hifi. Real hifi is like a quality guitar rig: it transmits the essence of the music with minimal "enhancement". The phrase straight wire with gain comes to mind.

The system I recommended is synergistic, sounds great, and in hifi realms, is quite reasonable.

It sounds to me like you are looking for midfi or mass market solutions. Denon, Onkyo, et all, just throw a brick and you will hit about 100 Japanese and Korean manufactures making "audio equipment" that's designed to fit a price point, not necessarily sound good. (I'm not saying there isn't great hifi coming from Japan and Korea, as there is -- Airtight, Zanden, Kondo/Audio Note spring immediately to mind)

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Re: Hi Fi/music player advice
« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2009, 02:52:28 PM »
Been checking out what you recommended Ben, and hells they be expensive.

Am I really looking to spend upwards of £1000 for a CD player/amp? Right now I'm really looking for something that I can sit in my living room and say 'that'll do!' instead of getting a loan and being blown away.

Frankly the benefits of a great system can only be appreciated if you have the space to configure it right, sit and listen to it in a proper listening position and give the room at least some treatment.

If you just want something that pretty good to throw in the living room then I wouldnt get anything terribly flash. You'd be hard pushed to hear why a >£1000 system costs what it does if the speakers are just sitting on the floor or a shelf or something, two feet from each other with you in a random place in the (untreated) room with regard to them.  

Vice versa, if you setup a mediocre system well, it can sound much better than a very much more expensive system thats just been thrown wherever it will go in the room.