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Re: "MULLARD" valves ride again!
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2009, 04:35:40 PM »
So can these E813CC be used as 12AX7 replacements?
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Re: "MULLARD" valves ride again!
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2009, 04:40:50 PM »
That's my impression.

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Re: "MULLARD" valves ride again!
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2009, 04:52:17 PM »
Intersting and good news.

When can we expect a head to head between a tech-Tube and a NOS Mullard?
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Re: "MULLARD" valves ride again!
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2009, 04:56:23 PM »
Intersting and good news.

When can we expect a head to head between a tech-Tube and a NOS Mullard?
Soon, if I have anything to do with it.

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Re: "MULLARD" valves ride again!
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2009, 05:03:13 PM »
I really liked the Sensor RI Mullard 12AX7 in my Shiva.

If these will be even better, I'll right away order 6 for the XTC :)
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Re: "MULLARD" valves ride again!
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2009, 05:18:22 PM »
Bear in mind that the construction of those valves are different to the typical ECC83/12AX7, so they WILL sound different.  I'll be interested to hear how they compare to a NOS Mullard ECC83.

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Re: "MULLARD" valves ride again!
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2009, 05:30:38 PM »
My JCM800 is in need of new tubing for way too long so YES PLEASE!!!!!!!
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Re: "MULLARD" valves ride again!
« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2009, 06:40:16 PM »
So can these E813CC be used as 12AX7 replacements?

I see under the E813CC spec. they say "The input stage of some guitar amplifiers can swamp this sensitivity generating microphony so we recommend you not to use this release of TechTube™ valve in this first valve position without using one of the many dampening devices available" - so presumably not recommended for V1 position ????
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Re: "MULLARD" valves ride again!
« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2009, 09:05:31 PM »
30 GBP for a unmatched 12AX7 is steep. And you don't know if they're any good.
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Re: "MULLARD" valves ride again!
« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2009, 09:13:42 PM »
30 GBP for a unmatched 12AX7 is steep. And you don't know if they're any good.
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When my bench tech comes in on Friday I will have him read the white paper and see how much of this is BS.

I don't like the fact that you may have to mod your amp just to use these, or the fact that they admit the valves are microphonic.

Edit: Compared to the only new tube technology out there, the Tonegrinder valves, these are a steal. Of course, you never have to replace the ToneGrinders ...

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Re: "MULLARD" valves ride again!
« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2009, 09:20:42 PM »
With careful looking on Ebay for £25-£30 you could pocket yourself  original NOS Blackburn Mullard ECC83's.
I have bought a stash over a period of time, particularly the yellow label. I have had one set in my Cornford Hellcat since 2002 and they are still going strong.

It beats me in the 21st Century how no manufacturer has manged to clone this iconic valve given all the all the technology at ones disposal. LOL!

As someone suggested a good A/B test is definitely required to check out the hype.

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Re: "MULLARD" valves ride again!
« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2009, 09:37:21 PM »
As someone suggested a good A/B test is definitely required to check out the hype.
Though that may not be possible depending on your amplifier's design.

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Re: "MULLARD" valves ride again!
« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2009, 10:18:35 PM »
This can only be good news as it widens the number of options, and also means that there are more factories making valves so we aren't at the mercy of say the Russian mafia ,who made a very good go of trying to shut down the Saratov plant.

Hopefully if this valve proves successful it looks like they will start adding more types of valve to their range and in the long term this should benefit everyone.

It's also great that they are made in the UK.

Regarding the microphony issue, I think they are trying to 2nd guess usage. It would be impossible to test these valves in all possible applications/ scenarios. It is worth noting on the testamonials that one chap has used a Fender HRD which is an amp where microphony is a real problem. Regardless, I'm sure we'll find out soon enough.

I expect it is the hi-fi community that has been the motivating force behind this development, notwithstanding the fact that no valve has ever been designed to sound good in a guitar amp........

The valve seems to be a slight variant on the ECC83. In addition to having a slightly different internal structure, it has a slightly lower mu (90 vs 100), and draws less heater current, which will be a benefit in most amps, although could be a problem in amps with series connected DC heaters (Peavey classic 30?).

I answer a coup[le of other points:

Yes £30 seems a lot; however this is a UK made product that almost certainly does not benefit from the economies of large scale production (and may never do), so I expect if you looked at production this is not an outlandish price. By the way for all guitar amp applications matching triodes is pointless.

Of course we can "remake" valves using modern technology. However there really isn't the market to justify it, and the price would be high in this case around £30 per valve.

Let's hope that the product is good and that this will encourage a range of valve to be made that will give the end user some more choice.

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Re: "MULLARD" valves ride again!
« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2009, 10:19:06 PM »
As someone suggested a good A/B test is definitely required to check out the hype.
Though that may not be possible depending on your amplifier's design.

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