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Bloody script monkeys!!!
« on: July 25, 2009, 03:55:38 PM »
I have had it with BT!!

about 2 weeks ago the internet cr@pped out on me, i get a message on the computer saying that the homehub was not connected and it gacve me a number which i rang.

Now the problem wasnt just the broadband but the phone line as well which was quite crackly so i tell them my phone line is dodgy and the broadband is intermittent and slow.  i could see the  phone line to the telegraph pole was noiceably older than the rest and point this out to them

anyone who has spoken to BT's indian call centre knows what happens next - but after half an hour of working through the script, doing various tests and them claiming there was no fault on the line they agree to send an engineer, with the warning that it will cost me if it is a problem after the phone line enters the house (about £65 callout)

So the engineer turns up, a broadband specialist.  I tell him what i told the call centre, that the phone line is dodgy and causing the broadband to be slow.  He was very helpfull actually but  couldnt fix the line problems.  what he did manage to do was make my broadband more stable and left me with a new homehub free of charge. but not increase the speed any... he leaves still me stuck at 0.1meg, but at least its a consistent 0.1meg, and he had confirmed the line is ery dodgy. BT are going to do some tests and phone back to let me know when to fix the line. 

An hour or so later i get the phone call back from BT indiaand without any explanation i am told to ring another number before the phone is put down on me.  so i phone the number and get put through to the broadband people in india - who i dont need to speak too since its a line fault!  after about an hour of being transferred between the various departments.. a nice game of tennis between the broadband people and the phone line people they finally agree to send out an engineer to look at the line.  however they are insistent there is no fault and these engineers will charge you a £115 call out fee +£99 fix fee if the problem is with your equipment  - which the call centres are insisting will be the case. but what choice is there!!

Another engineer comes out, again really helpfull.  He looks up at the line and says " theres your problem, i will just change that wire".  great!  SO that gets sorted and i now have a wonderfully clear phone line, the best its ever been... but i do a speed test on my broadband and its still 135k at the most.  The engineer says not to worry as it should sync back up to speed in a day or two.  fair enough!

BT india phone me to ask if I am happy with the resolution but dont seem satisfied with my andwer that "i will be happy when my internet gives the speeds it should!"

anyway, i wait patiently and nothing changes.  the fault on the phone line is now fixed but the internet is still painfully slow!

I have been doing speed tests using BT's site throughout this and this is what i have been getting since the phone line was fixed:
DSL conenction rate: 6848kps (Downstream)  448kps (upstream)
IP profile for your line: 135kps
Actual IP throughput achieved during the test: 117kps

OK, i am not engineer but i see the problem, my IP profile (135k) is clearly way below what my line is now capable of (6848k).   Bt dont recognise this as a fault and after another long call centre ordeal and they want to send out another engineer - again with the warning of costs if its my equipment at fault. no body seemed to understand what i was saying about IP profiles.

Engineer comes this morning, and is another very helpful chap.

After fixing a fualt at teh exchange he comes around to see if its working better, it isnt.
he tests the line with his laptop and modem, registers as 6meg.
Tests my computer though homehub, gets 135k
Tests his laptop through  my homehub gets 135k
Test my computer through homehub #2, gets 135k
tests his laptop through homehub #2, gets 135k

so from that we know the line is capable of 6meg, we know my computer isnt at fault and we also know its not a broken homehub, because we get the same with both - one of which is brand new.  He openly admits he is completely flumoxed and hasnt got a clue what to write in his notes

So BT india phone and ask if i am happy with the resolution, and seem suprised when i say no.  this time i repeat all the BT speedtester results and mention the IP profile thing again and for the first time i get someone who doesnt pretend like i am making it up and does seem to have heard of a stuck IP profile before, but he wants to speak to a tech person ....

so now i am waiting for yet another call from BT india to tell me there is no recognisable fault and they want to send an engineer out again!!  or hopefully we might be getting somewhere but i have been sucked into thinking that before  :x

so all in all, extremely shite service from BT india (broadband and phone line departments)... some very helpful engineers and a forthcoming transfer over to sky!!!

the funniest bit of this whole thing was when the first engineer tried to report the line fault again for me.  He had just as much trouble as i did with the call centre.  they denied there was a line fault right at the same time as complaining they couldnt understand what he was saying!!


sorry, just felt the need to vent !!  apparently its unreasonable when i do it to an indian call centre

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Re: Bloody script monkeys!!!
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2009, 05:27:02 PM »
Really feel for you mate !   I think we've probably all been there.

The Indian call centre idea, was probably the worst thing ever foisted on the western world.

Just for info, I've found Virgin Media pretty reasonable in the customer sevice department these days.

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Re: Bloody script monkeys!!!
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2009, 05:35:37 PM »
If they are going to be like that, don't give them business! I don't have Virgin for the landline, but if you send Virginmobile an email, requesting they phone you, it is a British person that is actually good at customer service

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Re: Bloody script monkeys!!!
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2009, 06:09:10 PM »
i think i am going with sky as i can get everything i get from BT + the sky+ TV with a couple of packages for the same money.. and i am getting free sky+ box and installation so it seems to make some sense

tbh i think all of them become as bad as each other at somepoint with the customer service - but i couldnt stay with BT after all this

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Re: Bloody script monkeys!!!
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2009, 06:30:08 PM »
Having had to go through something similar with BT when we moved home, I utterly sympathise with you.

$%&# dicking around with the monkeys at the end of the line - who may well be highly qualified in their own country - who obviously know $%&# all about networking and the UK telephony system. Go for head office. Ring them up (020 7356 5000) and ask to speak to Michael Rake the chairman. You wont get put through obviously, but do leave a message of complaint with his PA or someone.

Kicking up a shite like that resolved the issue I was seeing very rapidly. Funnily enough it was their problem in the end, even after weeks of telling them it was their side of the phone socket that was at fault. I mean I'm only a network engineer by profession so know $%&# all about it when compared to someone reading out loud at the end of a phone line in India. You'd have thought they would have realized I wasn't a normal punter when I was giving them information from the hidden diagnostic features built into the router I was using, but no such luck.

His email address if you cant get through on the phone is michael.rake@bt.com.

Can you tell I was pissed off...
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Re: Bloody script monkeys!!!
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2009, 06:39:27 PM »
good one shobet - after having 3 more identical converations today i think i am definately going to be getting in touch with head office!

has an engineer been? 

yes, but you know that

What did he say?

probably the same as he told you!  Phone line isfine, computers are fine, 2 hubs tested  - Ip profile stuck at 135k

We are passing this onto out technical dapeartment?

has anybody looked at the IP profile and why its fixed at 135k?

We are passing this onto out technical department, they will phone you back within 24 hours? 

will they sort out the IP profile issue.

Your hub is at fault, they will call you back in 24 hours. 

the engineer and I tried two homehubs and neither gave a connection above 135k

its unlikely your hub is at fault.

thats what i have been saying

The technical department will call you within 24 hours



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seriously, 3 bloody people have phoned to say this same thing to me since 1pm today!!!

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Re: Bloody script monkeys!!!
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2009, 08:40:30 PM »
I've worked for BT, they are absolutely useless. India just pass you through to the first other BT number they come across, they don't care if it's the correct department. Come November when my contract runs out, I'll be going with Virgin or Sky and I will tell BT why.

Just FYI, if you can't be arsed with trying to talk to India, tell them you want to speak to someone in the UK. It's not something they advertise, but they have to do it if you insist, and very often you get put straight through to the UK equivalent of who you wanted to speak to in the first place, makes you wonder why they bother with Indian call centres if they have a UK based dept for that anyway.

But yeah, had I not got laid off, I would have quit through sheer frustration at the bollocks employees in India. I used to say "can't blame them" because I just thought it was down to their training or management, but have since learned that, no, the general employee base literally cannot be bothered to help you properly and they will keep repeating their scripts until you either hang up or kick off enough that they can get rid of you to a supervisor, another dept or someone in the UK. They really couldn't give a rat's ass whether or not they are doing a good job.

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Re: Bloody script monkeys!!!
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2009, 08:44:18 PM »
I dunno, its not all bad. I've had helpfull indian call centre dudes (netgear) and useless british ones (errr....BT...how odd).

But its a royal $%&#ing pain, yes. I wouldnt mind so much if they just said they didnt know, but a string of people telling you the same cr@p is very annoying.

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Re: Bloody script monkeys!!!
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2009, 09:07:18 PM »
Head office is the way to go!! I had huge problems with my sky reception about a 18 months ago - picture constantly breaking up, audio out of synch, sky + recordings failing. The technical service centre just said the same thing all the time - "you have to do a reboot of your box sir". Even after I told them this doesn't solve the issue they insisted it would.

In the end I emailed James Murdoch directly with a complaint. Within 2 hours of my mail I had received an apology call from his office, an explanation of the issue (sky had performed upgrades that some of the older boxes couldn't handle and no matter how many times I rebooted it would no have solved it) and a selection of dates that an engineer could come and install a new box for me. I got a nice new box within a week and never had another issue with it.

If you go to the head office/chief exec you can pretty much guarantee quick and decisive action.

Go for it Wez - sounds like you have more than reasonable grounds for complaint. I'm not sure I would have had the same amount of patience as you to go though all of that!
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Re: Bloody script monkeys!!!
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2009, 09:53:35 PM »
Does Sky have UK call centres?

I swear if I had any problems they would two-fold when I get put through to an Indian call centre.

1. Understanding my problem.
2. Understanding them, to understand my problem.
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Re: Bloody script monkeys!!!
« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2009, 11:18:48 PM »
Does Sky have UK call centres?

I swear if I had any problems they would two-fold when I get put through to an Indian call centre.

1. Understanding my problem.
2. Understanding them, to understand my problem.

Try getting them to understand you when you've got a Welsh accent! However one of the benefits of being a Welsh speaker is I can demand to talk to them in my own language. I'm guaranteed to get a UK based spod then! :)
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Re: Bloody script monkeys!!!
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2009, 01:33:20 AM »
just got home from a nigh out and my speed test now reads 6meg as my Ip profile....   happy if it stays that way!!

i dont know if sky have UK call centres or not - like i said above, i think they will all be just as bad when a problem arises.  once thing i can say about BT is that they sorted out engineers pretty quick and i imiagine that going with another ISP may actually slow that down.  at least i now know my line is good and BT have sorted as mnay problems on it as they physically can so it seems the perfect time to switch to someone else

still going with sky now though, i want the sky+ !!

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« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2009, 11:52:27 AM »
Aye when they sort a problem they actually sort it properly, but it's just getting to that point which is the pain in the arse.

I'll defo be going with either Virgin or Sky when this contract ends, as for the same money as I pay to BT I can have cable / sky TV too. Good for me cos we can't actually pick up a normal TV signal here anyway, even since the digital switch over.  :?

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Re: Bloody script monkeys!!!
« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2009, 12:50:39 PM »
Glad you got a resolution Wez, I'd still make a complaint and try to recoup some of the money you've spend on call out fees back as it was clearly their fault and not yours.

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Re: Bloody script monkeys!!!
« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2009, 10:18:22 AM »
you were getting 135k?  i wish i were that lucky!!! i'm paying for "up to 2 Meg", but i generally get aroung 15kb!! it's slower than dial-up!  when the line first went in i was getting 150kb, but that soon went away.  and when i phone up about it?  "that's what your line is capable of." i was getting 150 before.  "no you weren't"  ???? yes i was!!

i'm thinking of shooting the hub, does anyone know if that works?

anyway, hope your problems are resolved Wez
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