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Re: Question: What's the best floyd Rose imitation
« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2009, 08:04:55 PM »
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Re: Question: What's the best floyd Rose imitation
« Reply #16 on: July 31, 2009, 11:37:09 PM »
The Parker Fly system is one-of-kind design, very relialable (always stays in tune) and also VERY versatile as you can use it in 3 modes :
- fixed bridge
- bend down only
- or floating like the floyd rose !

And there is no compromise in sustain as the whole body vibrate under the notes... Very Clever !
I love the Parker Fly system, with everything you've said and also the fact it looks cool and fits the quirky body design.

why ain't anyone made a clone of it if it's so good? same thing for those steinberger transtrems

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Re: Question: What's the best floyd Rose imitation
« Reply #17 on: July 31, 2009, 11:49:02 PM »
same thing for those steinberger transtrems

if you only new the hors of R&D that must have gone into those things... a real labout of love that would be very difficult to replicate  and make money on.  hell, even with an original transtrem to install on a guitar its incredibly hard to get right.

the transposing feature is dependant on exact and unpublished string lengths (not just the length of the string but also the length of spare sting either side of zero fret and saddle).  For the transposing feature to work these things need to be dead on - it took gwem and I a long time to make work anywhere near like it should.  Ned must have the patience of a saint to have worked that thing out

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Re: Question: What's the best floyd Rose imitation
« Reply #18 on: August 01, 2009, 12:18:26 AM »
I'd had thought there would be more money to licence the product now

wez if I'm reading you right, so if I got a transterm, I couldn't put it on another guitar, one that isn't headless because of the extra string behind the nut? or could I set it up to work with the addition string length?

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Re: Question: What's the best floyd Rose imitation
« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2009, 10:57:08 AM »
why ain't anyone made a clone of it if it's so good? same thing for those steinberger transtrems

Ken Parker redefined the electric guitar while introducing the Fly in the 90's. (to me the most advanced revolution in electric guitar design since leo Fender and Les Paul !)
Those Fly just do not compare to anything else on the market (which doesn't mean of course that their particular design make them better instrument than other guitars) and as a result I don't think Parker license would be easy to copy...




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Re: Question: What's the best floyd Rose imitation
« Reply #20 on: August 01, 2009, 11:09:52 AM »

When it comes to hardware questions like this, PhillyQ usually knows his stuff very very well. Not sure if he has much knowledge about Floyds though.

Why not go for a "modern vintage" type, non-locking but with good tuning stability?
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Re: Question: What's the best floyd Rose imitation
« Reply #21 on: August 01, 2009, 11:16:47 AM »
I'd had thought there would be more money to licence the product now

wez if I'm reading you right, so if I got a transterm, I couldn't put it on another guitar, one that isn't headless because of the extra string behind the nut? or could I set it up to work with the addition string length?

from my experience with them it seem ned had it worked out to the last mm of string.

if you have extra string behind the nut or saddle then that extra length will have an affect on how much the tuning moves wehn you move between the presets

they are adjustable to a certain degree but not massively so

as an example, on gwems i had the neck 3mm closer to the bridge than on a real steinberger, this was well within the intonation range for the guitar so should have been absolutely fine (bare in mind the saddles actually have about an inch of adjustability, although it seems most of that is actually unusable).  with any other bridge design it would have worked perfectly, even with any other steinberger bridge it would be fine.  and the guitar did tune up fine and worked very well as a normal trem - but we had major issues with the accuracy of the transtrem, we could get it close on most strings, but then when downtuning using the transtrem certain strings would be as much as 1/2 a step out.

so essentially the strings where 3mm too short over the whole length (not to be confused with scale length. its the whole length of string at play here) and the tuners were taking up the slack, but not well enough for the other tuning presets to be accurate.  we mostly solved it by adding a 3mm shim between the end of neck and headpiece.  I think we also decided that using a peterson tuenr was a mistake on such a device, you could end up chasing innacuracies all day that a normal tuner simply wouldnt notice... in fact we did.  we had a whole day of adding veneers of varying thicknesses and retuning trying to decided  exactly how thick the final shim should be

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Re: Question: What's the best floyd Rose imitation
« Reply #22 on: August 01, 2009, 11:24:38 AM »
Rhythm in jump. Dancing close to you.  :lol: Just kidding, avoid as plague!

Thats some high class gear. Comes with free vaseline nad electronics cavity speaker cable.

Don't forget the animal hair all over it!

That wasn't ordinary "hair" it was "Fur" - Remember we are talking about a Devries Custom, show some respect!

Of course, the Holy Grail of poop on a stick!

Just look at the devries myspace page. The answer to this question on this link made me nearly choke on my coco-pops. I'm not a guitar builder but would have thought the wings should be a little more uniform than that?

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=374452387&albumID=184531&imageID=782468
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Re: Question: What's the best floyd Rose imitation
« Reply #23 on: August 01, 2009, 11:33:42 AM »
its the fact he calls it a firebird that gets me - more like a melted firebird.

i have no problem with people using up wood scr@ps, no reason for it to make that guitar sound bad and if it was given a solid finish and kept for oneself or priced accordingly (read very low!!!) it would be fine.  but of course thats not going to happen is it

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Re: Question: What's the best floyd Rose imitation
« Reply #24 on: August 01, 2009, 11:52:28 AM »
whenever im feeling less than happy about my work, i just remember - "rhythm in jump..." and i feel all better.

its a service he provides

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Re: Question: What's the best floyd Rose imitation
« Reply #25 on: August 01, 2009, 02:20:23 PM »
the steinberger GS model has a headstock and was available with a transtrem:



as wez says, it was painstaking work to get the transtrem working on my union jack GP. if you want a transtrem guitar, you could look at the ZT3:

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Re: Question: What's the best floyd Rose imitation
« Reply #26 on: August 01, 2009, 02:33:12 PM »
see, now i am wondering about the GS and the extra string length on the headstock (+ whatis happening at the nut and tuners, what strings does it take)... i guess i am not that worried at the moment - my stag do starts in half an hour!

but the point stands - its a complex bit of kit and would not be as easy as just copying an original without thinking about how the rest of the guitar is designed


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Re: Question: What's the best floyd Rose imitation
« Reply #27 on: August 01, 2009, 02:36:22 PM »
With the TransTrem, would it help if you put a locking nut it?
I guess from what you say about the amount of string behind the nut a Kahler nut could be placed wherever you want it

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Re: Question: What's the best floyd Rose imitation
« Reply #28 on: August 01, 2009, 02:48:31 PM »
see, now i am wondering about the GS and the extra string length on the headstock (+ whatis happening at the nut and tuners, what strings does it take)... i guess i am not that worried at the moment - my stag do starts in half an hour!

those are definitely the famous steinberger gearless tuners, and i think looks like a roller nut. i want to know how it works too - apparantly the GS transtrem2 has a slightly different design, and works even a bit better than the one for headless guitars.
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