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Cary

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Irish Tours and Mothers Milk
« on: August 06, 2009, 10:43:03 AM »
Hi

If the Irish Tour is an overwound single coil, does that mean that when the volume is turned down it will start to sound something similar to the mothers milk set or or the two sets quite distinct in what they offer? Is anyone able to upload some good AB clips of these two sets?

Thanks Cary
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Re: Irish Tours and Mothers Milk
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2009, 10:53:55 AM »
Hi, can't offer you any clips, but that is the assumption I made when I bought the ITs - and they do behave nicely with use of the volume and tone.

However, I would be interested to hear such AB clips myself (either to confirm my assumption, or start "new strat GAS" so I can buy some MMs as well :lol:)
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Elliot

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Re: Irish Tours and Mothers Milk
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2009, 11:08:38 AM »
I wouldn't call 6.3k overwound! - that is correct .k for early 1960s pick ups. 

But the extra turns of wire mean more mid range even when you turn the volume down, so the tone is going to be different between MM's and ITs.
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Re: Irish Tours and Mothers Milk
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2009, 12:04:19 PM »
Quote from: Elliot on August 06, 2009, 11:08:38 AM
But the extra turns of wire mean more mid range even when you turn the volume down, so the tone is going to be different between MM's and ITs.

Yep, that's what I now suspect 18 months on (and that my original assumption was wrong!), which is why I'd like to hear the difference to see if I'm missing something/enough to get me interested in another geetar...
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Re: Irish Tours and Mothers Milk
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2009, 12:55:01 PM »
Hi I have got one Irish tour in one guitar and recently purchased another with 2 mothers milk in.  THe guitars are very different but I would say the pickups are very different as well.  Personally I am not conviced you can get mother milk tones with a irish tour at low volume.  Other people may have had more success though.

They are both great  pickups but for me Mother milk would have to be the favourite.


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Re: Irish Tours and Mothers Milk
« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2009, 01:30:01 PM »
I know Andy hates them  :wink: , but maybe a treble bleed cap on the volume control would help the ITs sound a bit more like lower-output pickups when the volume's turned down?

I haven't tried it, just an idea.
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Re: Irish Tours and Mothers Milk
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2009, 01:43:54 PM »
tried a rosewood board strat with mothers milks last night and the tone was glorious. its the mythical woody strat tone. it was amazing to play clean - never reached for the overdrive once.
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Re: Irish Tours and Mothers Milk
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2009, 02:00:25 PM »
You're not helping me at all, gwem :lol:

(Several times I've nearly bought MMs anyway and taken my ITs out... just to see what happens.)

And Philly's right: treble-bleed caps, YUK!! :lol:
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Re: Irish Tours and Mothers Milk
« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2009, 02:16:47 PM »
Quote from: AndyR on August 06, 2009, 02:00:25 PM
You're not helping me at all, gwem :lol:

(Several times I've nearly bought MMs anyway and taken my ITs out... just to see what happens.)

And Philly's right: treble-bleed caps, YUK!! :lol:

buy another strat? ;)

this forum has turned me from a strat non-understander, to a strat fan in the space of a few years.
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Re: Irish Tours and Mothers Milk
« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2009, 02:46:36 PM »
I went out looking for a strat last weekend, but came away with an SG :roll:

I do have an old JV strat with a basswood body (it has my main strat's Texas Specials in) - so it could be a recipient of the ITs... but conventional wisdom appears to be that basswood needs Apaches? I don't love my JV enough to spend on her directly so it never happened... But if I was really buying for my main strat... :lol:

Cary - sounds to me like, although you've got no AB clips, you've got your answer: distinctive sounds. When I ordered mine, it was a compromise choice - pure woody strat tone of MMs or the slightly extra push, but still "vintage", from the ITs.

Don't let me put you off ITs - at the time, I needed the slightly extra push more, so that's what I chose...

I've since got into teles - and two teles with blackguards do the slightly extra push job rather well, so I'm starting to crave the "pure woody strat tone"... the ITs give me a very good approximation, but I've got that "maybe the grass is greener elsewhere" craving going on at the moment :lol:
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Re: Irish Tours and Mothers Milk
« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2009, 02:54:55 PM »
Actually, I was just thinking - Tim's apparently working on a new 62 set.

If I was you (or possibly I might even be doing it myself by the sound of it!) I'd be asking him about those if I was dithering between MMs and ITs...
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Re: Irish Tours and Mothers Milk
« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2009, 02:59:07 PM »
Mother's Milks didn't work as well as Apaches in my JV - the midrange of the basswood drowned the flavour of the MMs - I bought a MIM Classic 60s in the Sound Control liquidation (£125 due to a broken nut, a missing tuner and a snapped trem arm and a few chips) - It weighs a ton compared to the JV and am not sure its all that resonant but it has really brought the Milks to life.

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Re: Irish Tours and Mothers Milk
« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2009, 03:22:18 PM »
Quote from: AndyR on August 06, 2009, 02:54:55 PM
Actually, I was just thinking - Tim's apparently working on a new 62 set.

If I was you (or possibly I might even be doing it myself by the sound of it!) I'd be asking him about those if I was dithering between MMs and ITs...

Yeah, the new '62 set must be worthy of consideration!

Just thinking about it, I potentially have 4 or 5 Strats to buy pickups for, if I ever get round to assembling all these Warmoth bits.... already have VHII/IT/IT for one, I was thinking maybe Emerald/MM/MM for another, maybe Sultans for the R. Cray Strat - perhaps I should get the '62s instead....
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Re: Irish Tours and Mothers Milk
« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2009, 03:37:56 PM »
IT's Gritty and fat.
Mothers Milk woody and lean
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Re: Irish Tours and Mothers Milk
« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2009, 06:09:01 PM »
Well, I've got home from work and re-assured myself.

The ITs might well be "fat" in comparison to MMs (I don't really know, to be honest), but my ITs sound plenty stratty and clear for my liking. And actually, if I had "leaner", it would be nice sometimes, but I'd be hankering after more mids most of the time :D

We're back down to DEFCON 3 (GASCON?) from DEFCON 2 on the GAS-o-meter here in Tooting :lol:

You had me going there for a while with that earlier post gwem :D

Quote from: gwEm on August 06, 2009, 01:43:54 PM
tried a rosewood board strat with mothers milks last night and the tone was glorious. its the mythical woody strat tone.

EDIT: I know I'll end up with them in a guitar one day - but it's no emergency "must have" :lol:
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