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Crazy_Joe

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Question about Ohmage and my Mesa head cutting out
« on: August 13, 2009, 11:33:00 AM »
Hey, got some problems that i need sorting out and i hope you guys can help :D

First of all my Mesa Rect-O-Verb head cuts out on the distortion channel frequently within the first 5 minutes of turning it on. After that it's fine, but i'm just baffled as to why it's doing that. If you switch it on and play on the clean channel it's fine, but switching to the dirty channel within the first few minutes of playing is weird. You can play for about 2 seconds then it will cut out, and a few seconds later it will come back on fine. After about 5 minutes or less of this it is fine and doesn't cut out.

Secondly, i'm using my Laney Pro-Tube 30 combo loads because i found out it's just amazing when it goes through a good 2x12 rather than the cr@ppy stock speaker in the combo. However, i feel like i'm damaging the speakers as the ohmages don't match up. My Laney 2x12 cab has 16ohm and 4ohm inputs with a switch that switches from mono to stereo which then makes it go to 2 8 ohms (not really sure what any of that means). The Pro Tube combo has an 8 ohm only speaker connection. At the moment it is connected as 8 ohm protube into 4 ohm laney cab with the mono switch. I'm pretty sure thats wrong and is damaging my cab/amp but it works fine and sounds amazing. Can someone explain this please?
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Re: Question about Ohmage and my Mesa head cutting out
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2009, 11:42:25 AM »

Regarding the Mesa, I would try swapping the preamp tubes that are in charge of additional gain stages for the drive channel (I think on your amp V2 or V3).

If that don't help, it could be something more complicated, like a switching relais that needs to be replaced or sth.
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Re: Question about Ohmage and my Mesa head cutting out
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2009, 11:50:55 AM »
Only problem with that is i have no idea how to do that and don't really want to break my amp by going in there. Second problem is that i don't know of any amp techs anywhere near me. Machinehead music in my town used to do amp repairs but when i took it to them they said they don't do that anymore.
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Re: Question about Ohmage and my Mesa head cutting out
« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2009, 02:15:45 PM »
Re your Mesa, you have already identified (probably) that the problem is with the distortion channel pre-amp. I would check all the pre-amp valves, and make sure they are seated correctly.

It's often the filament pins that make a poor electrical contact due to the high current draw.

If this doesn't cure the problem you may have a problem with the switching or a dry joint on the board, which will mean a trip to a tech. By the way these type of problems can be a real pain to find, especially in complicated circuit like the Mesa.

Regarding impedance, there have been several posts on this. To summerize:

With a valve out stage full power is achieved when the speaker load is matched to the correct impedance, ie use an 8 ohm cab connected to the 8 ohm output.

Using too high a load can and does cause damage to output transformers (OT) due to high voltage spikes puncturing inter layer insulation in the OT. This spiking occurs when the amp is driven into hard clipping., ie being thrashed.

Using too low a load causes plate dissipation in the valve to increase, which can wear you valves quicker. Potentially you can damage your OT due to higher AC current, however I've not seen this (yet!).

In an amp with a well specified OT you can get away with a certain degree of mismatch. I can't comment on the quality of the OT in your amp as I haven't seen it.

For what its worth, I prefer the sound of an amp matched to the correct load.

You have a cab with 2 8 ohm speakers in it. These cab be wired in series to give 16 ohms, or parallel to give 4 ohms. In "stereo" you can connect to the two individual speakers hence two 8 ohm inputs.

If you wanted to match your amp to a 2 x 12 cab, you would need two 16 ohm speakers wired in parallel (or 2 4 ohm in series).

Hope that makes sense.

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Re: Question about Ohmage and my Mesa head cutting out
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2009, 03:01:56 PM »
Wouldn't surprise me if it is the valves - the amp is 10 years old & never had any replaced....
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Re: Question about Ohmage and my Mesa head cutting out
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2009, 11:44:34 AM »
I'm tempted to sell the Mesa and buy a Pro Tube head, though i don't know if the pro tube head has different ohmage inputs. Also, selling a faulty amp will decrese the price of it siginificantly.
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Re: Question about Ohmage and my Mesa head cutting out
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2009, 12:11:41 PM »
Just try swapping some of the preamp tubes around inside, if I can do it, I am confident that you can!
It may narrow down the options of what could be wrong

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Re: Question about Ohmage and my Mesa head cutting out
« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2009, 07:44:59 PM »
I heard playing with tubes can kill you so i'd rather give it to a tech :lol:
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Re: Question about Ohmage and my Mesa head cutting out
« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2009, 09:50:58 PM »
preamp tubes are pretty safe i believe, playing around inside the amp is a bit more dangerous.
are the tubes just mounted on top of the chassis? if so its easy as to swap them around.
maybe pull them out and spray a bit of contact cleaner on the prongs then jam them back in and out to clean up the sockets?
and yeah the protube heads have different ohm settings, i used to have an aor100 series2, pretty cool amp and can be had cheap sometimes.


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Re: Question about Ohmage and my Mesa head cutting out
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2009, 05:09:37 PM »
I heard playing with tubes can kill you so i'd rather give it to a tech :lol:

I fail to see how swapping preamp tubes could kill you - assuming you did shut the amp off (and eventually unplugged it if you're really paranoid). FWIW, I changed  my preamp tubes quite a few times on my older marshall (wether testing other tubes or trying to find out if a particular tube had become microphonic), and it's not harder than changing a light bulb.
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Re: Question about Ohmage and my Mesa head cutting out
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2009, 11:39:30 PM »
it's not harder than changing a light bulb.

might even be easier, dont have to stand on a chair and dont have to push it in while turning it

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Re: Question about Ohmage and my Mesa head cutting out
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2009, 01:15:19 PM »
Well i've found a tech nearish me so i'll take it to him as i might get the power tubes done as well.
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